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Re: Crews that became families

by Rat » Sun Nov 17, 2024 8:15 pm

It wasn't a whole family but there was the "Colombo brother's crew" which never reintegrated with the Colombo's following the war in the 1990s and operated on their own for a decade

Re: Crews that became families

by JeremyTheJew » Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:26 pm

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:55 am
motorfab wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:50 am
furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:08 am
chin_gigante wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:06 am
furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 3:56 am
motorfab wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 9:14 am I don't believe Utica ever broke away from Buffalo (or North Eastern Pennsylvania, depends who you ask).

There's also no evidence that Montreal ever broke away from the Bonannos.
Apart the fact that from 1999 they doesnt take order by Bonannos and that when Sal Montagna was deported back to Canada and try to take control of the former decina,he was whacked.
Montreal continued to kick up money to the Bonanno administration until at least the mid-2000s. There were also members of the decina who sided with Montagna when he was up there like Di Maulo and Gallo. Montagna wasn't even killed by the Rizzutos, his murder was ordered by Desjardins.
Who said that,still sending money to Bonnanos until the mid-2000?
For the Montagna murder,that was a mob war or a feud,if you dont stay with me I must kill you and Desjardins wanted to be the King of Montreal so Montagna should die.
If I'm not mistaken it was Massino on tape during a talk with Vincent Basciano.

Other big names behind Montagna: Joe Renda, Antonio Pietrantonio and Domenico Arcuri and his sons. And according to Scoppa, Tony Vannelli, Tony Mucci & Tony Volpato.
I think that actually comes from Cicale...
Yes originally we dissected the book he did with lcn news guy which he talked about getting payments from Montreal

This was also pre podcast and when no one likes cicale and called him a crack head. Other claims in the book were refuted also.

I wish he would discuss on his podcast - which also makes me wonder how much he really does know about situations up there

Re: Crews that became families

by motorfab » Sun Nov 17, 2024 7:21 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:55 am I think that actually comes from Cicale...
Ok, thanks CabriniGreen

Anyway, it was an inside source :)

Re: Crews that became families

by CabriniGreen » Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:55 am

motorfab wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:50 am
furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:08 am
chin_gigante wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:06 am
furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 3:56 am
motorfab wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 9:14 am I don't believe Utica ever broke away from Buffalo (or North Eastern Pennsylvania, depends who you ask).

There's also no evidence that Montreal ever broke away from the Bonannos.
Apart the fact that from 1999 they doesnt take order by Bonannos and that when Sal Montagna was deported back to Canada and try to take control of the former decina,he was whacked.
Montreal continued to kick up money to the Bonanno administration until at least the mid-2000s. There were also members of the decina who sided with Montagna when he was up there like Di Maulo and Gallo. Montagna wasn't even killed by the Rizzutos, his murder was ordered by Desjardins.
Who said that,still sending money to Bonnanos until the mid-2000?
For the Montagna murder,that was a mob war or a feud,if you dont stay with me I must kill you and Desjardins wanted to be the King of Montreal so Montagna should die.
If I'm not mistaken it was Massino on tape during a talk with Vincent Basciano.

Other big names behind Montagna: Joe Renda, Antonio Pietrantonio and Domenico Arcuri and his sons. And according to Scoppa, Tony Vannelli, Tony Mucci & Tony Volpato.
I think that actually comes from Cicale...

Re: Crews that became families

by CabriniGreen » Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:53 am

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:02 pm
motorfab wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 9:14 am I don't believe Utica ever broke away from Buffalo (or North Eastern Pennsylvania, depends who you ask).

There's also no evidence that Montreal ever broke away from the Bonannos.
Montreal has been gone over n over n some go one way others go the other

I personally think the rizzutos did break off and started there own family... I mean think about it .... The guy that wanted them to stick around flipped and Vito gets locked up

I don't know why they keep on with this.....

Re: Crews that became families

by motorfab » Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:50 am

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:08 am
chin_gigante wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:06 am
furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 3:56 am
motorfab wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 9:14 am I don't believe Utica ever broke away from Buffalo (or North Eastern Pennsylvania, depends who you ask).

There's also no evidence that Montreal ever broke away from the Bonannos.
Apart the fact that from 1999 they doesnt take order by Bonannos and that when Sal Montagna was deported back to Canada and try to take control of the former decina,he was whacked.
Montreal continued to kick up money to the Bonanno administration until at least the mid-2000s. There were also members of the decina who sided with Montagna when he was up there like Di Maulo and Gallo. Montagna wasn't even killed by the Rizzutos, his murder was ordered by Desjardins.
Who said that,still sending money to Bonnanos until the mid-2000?
For the Montagna murder,that was a mob war or a feud,if you dont stay with me I must kill you and Desjardins wanted to be the King of Montreal so Montagna should die.
If I'm not mistaken it was Massino on tape during a talk with Vincent Basciano.

Other big names behind Montagna: Joe Renda, Antonio Pietrantonio and Domenico Arcuri and his sons. And according to Scoppa, Tony Vannelli, Tony Mucci & Tony Volpato.

Re: Crews that became families

by furiofromnaples » Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:08 am

chin_gigante wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:06 am
furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 3:56 am
motorfab wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 9:14 am I don't believe Utica ever broke away from Buffalo (or North Eastern Pennsylvania, depends who you ask).

There's also no evidence that Montreal ever broke away from the Bonannos.
Apart the fact that from 1999 they doesnt take order by Bonannos and that when Sal Montagna was deported back to Canada and try to take control of the former decina,he was whacked.
Montreal continued to kick up money to the Bonanno administration until at least the mid-2000s. There were also members of the decina who sided with Montagna when he was up there like Di Maulo and Gallo. Montagna wasn't even killed by the Rizzutos, his murder was ordered by Desjardins.
Who said that,still sending money to Bonnanos until the mid-2000?
For the Montagna murder,that was a mob war or a feud,if you dont stay with me I must kill you and Desjardins wanted to be the King of Montreal so Montagna should die.

Re: Crews that became families

by motorfab » Sun Nov 17, 2024 6:00 am

chin_gigante wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:06 am
furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 3:56 am
motorfab wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 9:14 am I don't believe Utica ever broke away from Buffalo (or North Eastern Pennsylvania, depends who you ask).

There's also no evidence that Montreal ever broke away from the Bonannos.
Apart the fact that from 1999 they doesnt take order by Bonannos and that when Sal Montagna was deported back to Canada and try to take control of the former decina,he was whacked.
Montreal continued to kick up money to the Bonanno administration until at least the mid-2000s. There were also members of the decina who sided with Montagna when he was up there like Di Maulo and Gallo. Montagna wasn't even killed by the Rizzutos, his murder was ordered by Desjardins.
+1

Re: Crews that became families

by chin_gigante » Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:06 am

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2024 3:56 am
motorfab wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 9:14 am I don't believe Utica ever broke away from Buffalo (or North Eastern Pennsylvania, depends who you ask).

There's also no evidence that Montreal ever broke away from the Bonannos.
Apart the fact that from 1999 they doesnt take order by Bonannos and that when Sal Montagna was deported back to Canada and try to take control of the former decina,he was whacked.
Montreal continued to kick up money to the Bonanno administration until at least the mid-2000s. There were also members of the decina who sided with Montagna when he was up there like Di Maulo and Gallo. Montagna wasn't even killed by the Rizzutos, his murder was ordered by Desjardins.

Re: Crews that became families

by furiofromnaples » Sun Nov 17, 2024 3:56 am

motorfab wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 9:14 am I don't believe Utica ever broke away from Buffalo (or North Eastern Pennsylvania, depends who you ask).

There's also no evidence that Montreal ever broke away from the Bonannos.
Apart the fact that from 1999 they doesnt take order by Bonannos and that when Sal Montagna was deported back to Canada and try to take control of the former decina,he was whacked.

For the Utica crew even I doubt that splitted by Buffalo maybe had a big grade of independence but nothing more. The Magaddinos just lost Rochester wont let an another crew to became independent.

Re: Crews that became families

by Antiliar » Sat Nov 16, 2024 9:27 pm

The Chicago mob began as a crew under Joe Masseria in 1928. Al Capone was kicking up $50K to Joe Masseria. Tony Lombardo, the Chicago Mafia boss, told Capone that since he wasn't a made member he should stop paying Masseria. Capone stopped making payments and Masseria whistled him in to New York. Instead of chastising Capone, Masseria made him a captain with the power to make ten men into his decina. He added that if he eliminates Lombardo and Joe Aiello he would recognize him as the boss of Chicago. Lombardo and Aiello were killed in 1928 and 1930, respectively, but Capone wasn't recognized until after Masseria was killed, when Salvatore Maranzano did so at a national meeting around April 1931.

Re: Crews that became families

by johnny_scootch » Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:38 pm

Etna wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:30 pm
Thanks for shedding light on the Santa Ninfa group in Venezuela. I always thought it was just the Canadians who were in Venezuela. I can't help but imagine this group isn't active anymore with the economic situation in Venezuela.
There was also a family in Caracas, Venezuela. Probably an offshoot of the Siculiana family and part of the Caruana/Cuntrera network, this is where Canadian involvement comes into play. There are a few threads about them if you do a search. Some real good stuff from guys like B and Felice.

Re: Crews that became families

by Etna » Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:30 pm

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 2:25 pm
JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2024 1:30 pm In a way the Reina family started as a crew with the Masseria/Maranzano days
I wouldn't say that, what became the Reina/Lucchese family was part of the Corleonesi/Morello family until it split.

I'm drawing a blank as far as crews that became their own family besides a decina of the Santa Ninfa family that became it's own family in Valencia, Venezuela. Also the unsubstantiated claims of the Montreal crew of the Bonanno family breaking off to become the Rizzuto family.
Thanks for shedding light on the Santa Ninfa group in Venezuela. I always thought it was just the Canadians who were in Venezuela. I can't help but imagine this group isn't active anymore with the economic situation in Venezuela.

Re: Crews that became families

by JeremyTheJew » Sat Nov 16, 2024 2:02 pm

motorfab wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2024 9:14 am I don't believe Utica ever broke away from Buffalo (or North Eastern Pennsylvania, depends who you ask).

There's also no evidence that Montreal ever broke away from the Bonannos.
Montreal has been gone over n over n some go one way others go the other

I personally think the rizzutos did break off and started there own family... I mean think about it .... The guy that wanted them to stick around flipped and Vito gets locked up

Re: Crews that became families

by motorfab » Sat Nov 16, 2024 9:14 am

I don't believe Utica ever broke away from Buffalo (or North Eastern Pennsylvania, depends who you ask).

There's also no evidence that Montreal ever broke away from the Bonannos.

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