by JeremyTheJew » Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:46 am
Adam wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:59 pm
gohnjotti wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:00 pm
JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 1:39 pm
gohnjotti wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 1:27 pm
SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 1:07 pm
Gravano.
Set the precedent. Publicity. Drew heat on every family. Bought LCN into the national spotlight.
In my research over the years, I've been lucky enough to make contact with certain connected/involved people from NY (predominantly Brooklyn), some of them cooperating witnesses although most of them not. It's incredibly how many of them reference Sammy the Bull's defection, without knowing him or being connected with his crew. With all the media attention and the grandeur surrounding the so-called Teflon Don, Sammy's defection is almost viewed in an historic, symbolic sense as a turning point of the Mafia and law enforcement's ability to combat them (that's my interpretation). Some even use Sammy's defection as an anchor point for remembering events in their own life - For example, "When did so-and-so buy the auto shop on so-and-so Avenue?" And the answer might be something like "It was like a year after Sammy flipped." I think that highlights the cultural impact of Sammy's defection on New York mobsters. Somebody in another thread (I think it might've been B.) articulated perfectly how mobsters testifying in court often have hazy memories on specific dates and years, since the Mob does not operate on a calendar, they don't stop for weekends nor for bank holidays.
I'd be curious to hear if Frank (Ridgewood) had a similar impression of Sammy's defection up in Queens.
I would definitely agree and it’s funny you said all that bc I was young when Sammy flipped and that’s technically how I got interested in mafia history - I was around 10 - and my dad talked about the rat gravano - and then we watched goodfellas and the rest was history
So it’s funny you said that
I'm sure you're not the only one. You're from Detroit, right? How much did they cover the local mob on the news there?
Not to speak for others, but mob coverage in local news in the Detroit area is weird and has been historically. I literally have corresponded with a journalist and later author who's job was to cover crime for the Detroit Free Press in the early 90s. And there actually was a lot of stuff that hit the news back then but he literally said certain stories were shut down pre 1996 because they didn't want to get sued for mentioning names. Like political donations to people like Jack Tocco. And we're not even going into the whole Anthony Lapiana thing. Where it's almost impossible to find him mentioned in articles in the search engines available for news papers. Even when he's mentioned in articles about the murder of Ralph Proctor. There's a reason for that. But in researching the mob for a long time, Free Press and News were good for the big things, major busts, but so much stuff went completely under the radar in terms of reporting. Like murders just being reported as "body found" and no reference to how the mob was related. Very different from other cities. Even when they're actual mobsters. So it's been different.
Didn’t jack tocco even pull a mini “Colombo” and went picketing the Detroit FBI office with signs saying there harassing Italians???
See Detroit really is unlike anywhere else and people don’t get it unless you’re here. Everything is backwards here.
In all major cities you have the major cities and the bad areas surround the majors …. Not like Detroit where the whole city is the bad area. Detroit politically is backwards
From the raciest mayor who had a hall named after him (COBO HALL)
To the first playboy mayor who ended up getting 20 years jn prison for all his scandals (including a un proven murder) - kwame kilpatrick
But also - if u live here you’d understand the local landscape…. People here KNOW who runs what…. Icewear Vezzo said in one his songs “I’m a mob boss - call me GIACALONE”
Detroit in my eyes is like Chicago where we have the Sicilians clans but they have multi ethnicities too…. Like the Chaldeans and Jews are very prevalent here also
And in Detroits it’s also a. Street code mentality city
We don’t have many police that come in actual relevant time when they are called
Lot of things are brushed under the rug…..
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Gravano.
Set the precedent. Publicity. Drew heat on every family. Bought LCN into the national spotlight.
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In my research over the years, I've been lucky enough to make contact with certain connected/involved people from NY (predominantly Brooklyn), some of them cooperating witnesses although most of them not. It's incredibly how many of them reference Sammy the Bull's defection, without knowing him or being connected with his crew. With all the media attention and the grandeur surrounding the so-called Teflon Don, Sammy's defection is almost viewed in an historic, symbolic sense as a turning point of the Mafia and law enforcement's ability to combat them (that's my interpretation). Some even use Sammy's defection as an anchor point for remembering events in their own life - For example, "When did so-and-so buy the auto shop on so-and-so Avenue?" And the answer might be something like "It was like a year after Sammy flipped." I think that highlights the cultural impact of Sammy's defection on New York mobsters. Somebody in another thread (I think it might've been B.) articulated perfectly how mobsters testifying in court often have hazy memories on specific dates and years, since the Mob does not operate on a calendar, they don't stop for weekends nor for bank holidays.
I'd be curious to hear if Frank (Ridgewood) had a similar impression of Sammy's defection up in Queens.
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I would definitely agree and it’s funny you said all that bc I was young when Sammy flipped and that’s technically how I got interested in mafia history - I was around 10 - and my dad talked about the rat gravano - and then we watched goodfellas and the rest was history
So it’s funny you said that
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I'm sure you're not the only one. You're from Detroit, right? How much did they cover the local mob on the news there?
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Not to speak for others, but mob coverage in local news in the Detroit area is weird and has been historically. I literally have corresponded with a journalist and later author who's job was to cover crime for the Detroit Free Press in the early 90s. And there actually was a lot of stuff that hit the news back then but he literally said certain stories were shut down pre 1996 because they didn't want to get sued for mentioning names. Like political donations to people like Jack Tocco. And we're not even going into the whole Anthony Lapiana thing. Where it's almost impossible to find him mentioned in articles in the search engines available for news papers. Even when he's mentioned in articles about the murder of Ralph Proctor. There's a reason for that. But in researching the mob for a long time, Free Press and News were good for the big things, major busts, but so much stuff went completely under the radar in terms of reporting. Like murders just being reported as "body found" and no reference to how the mob was related. Very different from other cities. Even when they're actual mobsters. So it's been different.
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Didn’t jack tocco even pull a mini “Colombo” and went picketing the Detroit FBI office with signs saying there harassing Italians???
See Detroit really is unlike anywhere else and people don’t get it unless you’re here. Everything is backwards here.
In all major cities you have the major cities and the bad areas surround the majors …. Not like Detroit where the whole city is the bad area. Detroit politically is backwards
From the raciest mayor who had a hall named after him (COBO HALL)
To the first playboy mayor who ended up getting 20 years jn prison for all his scandals (including a un proven murder) - kwame kilpatrick
But also - if u live here you’d understand the local landscape…. People here KNOW who runs what…. Icewear Vezzo said in one his songs “I’m a mob boss - call me GIACALONE”
Detroit in my eyes is like Chicago where we have the Sicilians clans but they have multi ethnicities too…. Like the Chaldeans and Jews are very prevalent here also
And in Detroits it’s also a. Street code mentality city
We don’t have many police that come in actual relevant time when they are called
Lot of things are brushed under the rug…..