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Re: Claw vs D'Onfrio

by CabriniGreen » Tue Oct 01, 2024 5:39 am

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:08 pm nop. gerry catena was on a wire telling tommy ryan he was the official underboss. that out ranks the acting boss. he then kind of read him the riot act . basically told him I made you the acting boss but your not my boss Vito is and he's in jail. your kinda the man on the street for what it's worth. it was in some old merry feral files. it was a good read
You beat me to it. Good post Pmac...

It's in the Mary Ferrell docs...

Re: Claw vs D'Onfrio

by SonnyBlackstein » Mon Sep 30, 2024 9:13 pm

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2024 5:55 pm
SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:22 pm Delacroce was official UB and considered by many the successor to Carlo.

Wouldn't Mush passing equate to the Claw being next in line
You would think so, if he made an argument for it. But he's 86, and in all seriousness we can't assume the Persicos would let him take over even ceremonially. I think an argument can be made his original selection as underboss is similar to William Cutolo's, in that it was to placate Orena faction members that were still weary from the war, a weariness which we know still existed in some capacity because Andy Russo made reference to certain members who still refused to come back into the fold. There could be far more reasons beyond what prosecutors and the feds have released, but I'm inclined to believe in that theory.
Great response, as always Gohn.

But I'm referring more to the protocol of the situation than this specific.

I'm still inclined to believe an official sitting UB, with no official, has more power/right/claim than an AB.

But always love my mate who can't say six properly ;) ;)

Re: Claw vs D'Onfrio

by gohnjotti » Mon Sep 30, 2024 5:55 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:22 pm Delacroce was official UB and considered by many the successor to Carlo.

Wouldn't Mush passing equate to the Claw being next in line
You would think so, if he made an argument for it. But he's 86, and in all seriousness we can't assume the Persicos would let him take over even ceremonially. I think an argument can be made his original selection as underboss is similar to William Cutolo's, in that it was to placate Orena faction members that were still weary from the war, a weariness which we know still existed in some capacity because Andy Russo made reference to certain members who still refused to come back into the fold. There could be far more reasons beyond what prosecutors and the feds have released, but I'm inclined to believe in that theory.

Re: Claw vs D'Onfrio

by SonnyBlackstein » Mon Sep 30, 2024 1:22 pm

Delacroce was official UB and considered by many the successor to Carlo.

Wouldn't Mush passing equate to the Claw being next in line

Re: Claw vs D'Onfrio

by Etna » Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:45 am

At this rate, Teddy is going to wind up like Carmine and Little Allie Boy. If he comes home and stays out this time, it'll be a miracle.

Re: Claw vs D'Onfrio

by CornerBoy » Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:33 am

little, obnoxious guy

Re: Claw vs D'Onfrio

by CornerBoy » Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:33 am

is joe catapano a made guy? i think he shot someone years ago over a woman. my memory is failing me.

Re: Claw vs D'Onfrio

by gohnjotti » Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:45 pm

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2024 4:45 pm You’ll never see a chart with the official underboss above the acting boss.
This ^

The official underboss may attend sit-downs on behalf of the acting boss and even liaise with other families but they don't have authority to make members or promote captains on their own, from what I understand. At least that's how I understand it worked with Castellazzo and Andrew Russo.

Re: Claw vs D'Onfrio

by Pmac2 » Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:35 pm

I agree but just being technical and because there's this one wiretap outthere wherethe official underboss is scolding the acting boss. he must have been 1000percent rite to talk to him the way it's was written in that old fbi. I kinda can't remember it but tommy ryan even said sorry or some shit. I guess he did something without running it buy catena. where being the official underboss he can sit down with official members on the commission. but I agree with the Madonna crea thing to. really comes down to the boss.

Re: Claw vs D'Onfrio

by johnny_scootch » Sat Sep 21, 2024 4:45 pm

You’ll never see a chart with the official underboss above the acting boss. Like I said when it comes down to it rank doesn’t always represent power and things could get confusing. Despite what Gerry Catena may have said to Tommy Ryan 60 years ago an acting boss is just that acting BOSS not an acting under the underboss boss. Madonna and Crea are a perfect example of this. Crea the official underboss had the most power and guys on the street saw him as their boss but he wasn’t it was Matty, he had rank over Steve because Amuso the real boss wanted it that way and so Matty had the last word.

Seems like Catena had the most power and was putting Tommy out front for whatever reason. It’s not always cut and dry but chain of command wise imho the acting boss is only below the official boss and I digress.

Re: Claw vs D'Onfrio

by SonnyBlackstein » Sat Sep 21, 2024 2:56 pm

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:08 pm nop. gerry catena was on a wire telling tommy ryan he was the official underboss. that out ranks the acting boss. he then kind of read him the riot act . basically told him I made you the acting boss but your not my boss Vito is and he's in jail. your kinda the man on the street for what it's worth. it was in some old merry feral files. it was a good read
This is what I'm talking about.
If Mush appointed D'Onfrio for example, and Benji gets out, as official UB, what's protocol?

Claw has to take precedence no?

Re: Claw vs D'Onfrio

by Little_Al1991 » Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:17 am

It seems as if Teddy is the official boss. A meeting that was held in 2020,during November, if I remember correctly, led to the Colombo Admin deciding that Teddy will be the official boss once he’s of parole but then that huge Colombo bust occurred in 2021. The plan has not changed it seems. We haven’t heard anything about a change taking place in regards to this

D’Onofrio is the Acting Boss until Teddy comes home

Re: Claw vs D'Onfrio

by Pmac2 » Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:08 pm

nop. gerry catena was on a wire telling tommy ryan he was the official underboss. that out ranks the acting boss. he then kind of read him the riot act . basically told him I made you the acting boss but your not my boss Vito is and he's in jail. your kinda the man on the street for what it's worth. it was in some old merry feral files. it was a good read

Re: Claw vs D'Onfrio

by johnny_scootch » Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:45 pm

It’s not always black and white, a persons position doesn’t always represent how much power they have. The Acting Boss outranks the underboss official or not. In this case Little Robert has the top tier position but if you believe everything that’s been said Teddy holds the most power as a mere captain and will be the official Boss at some point if things go his way. If all that is true Teddy 100% gave D’Onofrio his blessing to run the family until he can assume the mantle and that’s not something Benji can overcome.

Claw vs D'Onfrio

by SonnyBlackstein » Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:53 pm

Reported, thanks savior, that Benjamin Castellazzo, official UB has been released.

I thought it interesting a discussion on protocol.

There is no sitting boss, so how does this resolve itself assuming the claw is still active (and ambitious).

Does a sitting UB hold position over an acting boss considering he's effectively next in line and there is no sitting?

Can an acting, possibly panel/deceased boss put in place(? Do we know if it was Russo/teddy or a panel who put in place D'onfrio?) Overule an official UB ie do we have a precedent where an UB or Consig has 'fought' a panel?

If Teddy isn't officially in place and the Colombos are ruled by an acting without an official and without a panel, can Benji 'overthrow' D'Onfrio?

It is a hypothetical but I'm curious as to the standing and protocol in this situation.

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