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Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Antiliar » Thu Sep 19, 2024 10:13 am

pat_marcy wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:40 am Just listening to Nadu on YouTube and he was saying Chicago has 30 odd made guys and no one under 50. Is this true?

Chicago at its peak was always a top family. Bigger and better than New York (in my humble opinion) so seems mind blowing to me they could go from that to a remnant of what they once were given how strong they were and how much power they once held
I don't think there's any way of verifying his claim unless his source is a high ranking member, which is pretty unlikely. Mike Sarno reportedly made some guys and it's possible that others have been made since. The current total membership would be a guess with a range between 10 and 35. I lean between 10 and 20 in my estimate, so 30+ would be on the high side. Whatever the case, I admit this is a very rough estimate and that I could be way off.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by pat_marcy » Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:48 am

Appreciate the reply snakes and wise guy.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Snakes » Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:46 am

pat_marcy wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:25 am Real success story for the FBI then to weaken them so much ain’t it. With the power they had you’d expect them to be at least functional in this day and age. Then again I suppose somewhere where being Italian doesn’t necessarily mean as much as it does elsewhere then it was always inevitable it would fade away like it has
They just made too few guys and had too many busts and deaths in the 1990s. No doubt that they are drastically reduced in manpower and influence. What remains seems to be centered in the western suburbs but there is probably some enclaves of activity in other traditional Outfit areas (Chinatown, Grand Avenue in the "Cozzo compound" area, etc.)

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by pat_marcy » Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:13 am

I was asking a question. No need to act so petulant over it. Saddo

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by NorthBuffalo » Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:33 am

Anyways, back to real information that matters to people who follow these threads - would be interested for anyone's perspective on The Park Boys or what loanshark ring the Giuliano's were connected to within the late 1990s.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by pat_marcy » Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:25 am

Real success story for the FBI then to weaken them so much ain’t it. With the power they had you’d expect them to be at least functional in this day and age. Then again I suppose somewhere where being Italian doesn’t necessarily mean as much as it does elsewhere then it was always inevitable it would fade away like it has

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Wiseguy » Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:32 am

pat_marcy wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:40 am Just listening to Nadu on YouTube and he was saying Chicago has 30 odd made guys and no one under 50. Is this true?

Chicago at its peak was always a top family. Bigger and better than New York (in my humble opinion) so seems mind blowing to me they could go from that to a remnant of what they once were given how strong they were and how much power they once held
The Outfit probably doesn't even have half that many made guys at this point. The youngest identified member is Michael Magnafichi who is in his early 60's.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by pat_marcy » Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:40 am

Just listening to Nadu on YouTube and he was saying Chicago has 30 odd made guys and no one under 50. Is this true?

Chicago at its peak was always a top family. Bigger and better than New York (in my humble opinion) so seems mind blowing to me they could go from that to a remnant of what they once were given how strong they were and how much power they once held

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by ChicagoOutfit » Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:24 pm

What ever happen to Fosco? Didn't he post something within the last 4-5 years then posted that he was done talking about the outfit?

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by NorthBuffalo » Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:08 pm

Older photo of Chris Guiliano (right) who was mentioned in this 2002 Chicago Sun-Times story as being juice loan collector alongside his brother Thomas in Schaumburg and were indicted in 1999 by the Feds. They are originally from Berwyn and members of the Park Boys street gang that was loosely affiliated with 12th street players - the two others in the photo are well-known Park Boys who are deceased (Billy Lapiana and Matt Pantone).

Here is the original article - https://www.thechicagosyndicate.com/200 ... t.html?m=0

I've not managed to find any of the court cases their indictments were linked to. My source says at least one is a biker gang type these days. Tom Giuliano was a business agent for a year with a mobbed-up local.

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Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Snakes » Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:56 pm

Fosco also hated DeVita, IIRC.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by NorthBuffalo » Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:42 pm

Patrickgold wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:48 am
NorthBuffalo wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:06 am Another recent death to add to the list. I have a photo of this individual that I am waiting to verify before posting.
https://www.carbonarafuneralhome.net/ob ... !/Obituary

DeVita worked for Nicholas Buddy Ciotti and Sam Ariola in Melrose Park. He's mentioned frequently on the old ANP forums as having a lot of sway in the current Outfit and being a major earner (obviously this was years ago). I think one tribute on his wall identifies

Joyce, I am so sorry and feel bad that I can’t make it to the church Thursday because I am out of state. I was friends with Joe since I was 15 yrs old. Even though I haven’t seen Joe much in the last 40 years, I still consider him one of my best old friends. Back then it was Joey, Louie, Joey (Frog), Buddy and me. Now I’m the only one left and it breaks my heart!

One thought comes to mind: Back then we were very foolish and very cocky. We thought we were indestructible. One time Joe said he’d go count our rivals. We asked how many and Joe said “17”. But there were only 6 of us. So what do you think Joe said? “Let’s do it!”
Joe asked everyone to go with him to join the Marines. Everyone said, “He’ll no!” But I said, “Let’s do it!” Obviously we never did.
So I imagine someday the old group will all be together again.
Love, Larry
Thanks for posting. Did not hear about his death. He was close with Joe Culloto, Louie the Mooch and the Bastones. In fact I believe he took over the Bastones international gambling operations, especially in Costa Rica. He was living in Arizona for the most part I believe but maybe he moved back. Not sure how active he was as of recently. Anyone have any idea?

Also I would like to add, he was always one of those guys that you heard was important but knew very little about bc of his low key style. From my understanding he was a big earner at one time.
DeVita is listed in FBI documents as having been involved in the suspicious death of Buddy Ciotti's wife. The story goes - as has been told on this forum by several people - that Lombardo asked Eboli's crew to hide the 'work car' they used in the Seifert hit - that car was hidden in Ciotti's garage. Ciotti was having marriage problems and the wife saw the car parked there - threatened to go to the cops and told all of this to Josep DeVita over dinner one night. She was found dead of a 'drug overdose' a day later despite her body showing signs of a physical beating.

I'll add the Larry Spino who commented on DeVita's obit is the former lieutenant of the melrose park police force - talking about growing up with these mob guys and seeing them again in 'heaven.' I thought that was kind of funny.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Snakes » Tue Sep 17, 2024 12:30 pm

What's funny is Tony and I were recently talking about DeVita and wondering if he was still alive and Tony found this same obit. This was literally a week or so ago. I have some files on an investigation into Chicago vending machine rackets but the subject was redacted. Considering that both the Bastones and Eboli have been dead for years, DeVita was posited as the potential subject by us.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Patrickgold » Tue Sep 17, 2024 11:48 am

NorthBuffalo wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:06 am Another recent death to add to the list. I have a photo of this individual that I am waiting to verify before posting.
https://www.carbonarafuneralhome.net/ob ... !/Obituary

DeVita worked for Nicholas Buddy Ciotti and Sam Ariola in Melrose Park. He's mentioned frequently on the old ANP forums as having a lot of sway in the current Outfit and being a major earner (obviously this was years ago). I think one tribute on his wall identifies

Joyce, I am so sorry and feel bad that I can’t make it to the church Thursday because I am out of state. I was friends with Joe since I was 15 yrs old. Even though I haven’t seen Joe much in the last 40 years, I still consider him one of my best old friends. Back then it was Joey, Louie, Joey (Frog), Buddy and me. Now I’m the only one left and it breaks my heart!

One thought comes to mind: Back then we were very foolish and very cocky. We thought we were indestructible. One time Joe said he’d go count our rivals. We asked how many and Joe said “17”. But there were only 6 of us. So what do you think Joe said? “Let’s do it!”
Joe asked everyone to go with him to join the Marines. Everyone said, “He’ll no!” But I said, “Let’s do it!” Obviously we never did.
So I imagine someday the old group will all be together again.
Love, Larry
Thanks for posting. Did not hear about his death. He was close with Joe Culloto, Louie the Mooch and the Bastones. In fact I believe he took over the Bastones international gambling operations, especially in Costa Rica. He was living in Arizona for the most part I believe but maybe he moved back. Not sure how active he was as of recently. Anyone have any idea?

Also I would like to add, he was always one of those guys that you heard was important but knew very little about bc of his low key style. From my understanding he was a big earner at one time.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by NorthBuffalo » Tue Sep 17, 2024 9:06 am

Another recent death to add to the list. I have a photo of this individual that I am waiting to verify before posting.
https://www.carbonarafuneralhome.net/ob ... !/Obituary

DeVita worked for Nicholas Buddy Ciotti and Sam Ariola in Melrose Park. He's mentioned frequently on the old ANP forums as having a lot of sway in the current Outfit and being a major earner (obviously this was years ago). I think one tribute on his wall identifies

Joyce, I am so sorry and feel bad that I can’t make it to the church Thursday because I am out of state. I was friends with Joe since I was 15 yrs old. Even though I haven’t seen Joe much in the last 40 years, I still consider him one of my best old friends. Back then it was Joey, Louie, Joey (Frog), Buddy and me. Now I’m the only one left and it breaks my heart!

One thought comes to mind: Back then we were very foolish and very cocky. We thought we were indestructible. One time Joe said he’d go count our rivals. We asked how many and Joe said “17”. But there were only 6 of us. So what do you think Joe said? “Let’s do it!”
Joe asked everyone to go with him to join the Marines. Everyone said, “He’ll no!” But I said, “Let’s do it!” Obviously we never did.
So I imagine someday the old group will all be together again.
Love, Larry

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