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Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by PolackTony » Wed Mar 12, 2025 9:31 pm

Manfredi wasn’t fat earlier in life, at least. Not sure about his weight when he was killed in ‘82. At least some LE sources claimed that he was hit on Aiuppa’s orders for bankrolling a narcotics operation that fell through with Aiuppa’s juice loan money — the idea seeming to be that the problem was less that the was involved in drugs, per se, and more that an operation he was connected to got busted and he lost a bunch of Aiuppa’s money. Presumably, if Aiuppa had ordered his murder, there would have been more to it than that anyway. Though it’s also unclear to me if there was any real basis for this theory or if it was just conjecture on the part of LE.

Given that there’s no statute of limitations on murder, why the fuck would anyone admit to such a thing on a podcast unless they had received immunity from prosecution in return for cooperating lol. That alone should answer any questions about this guy.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Snakes » Wed Mar 12, 2025 7:10 pm

PPPP wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:24 pm
Tonyd621 wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:48 pm
PPPP wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:09 pm
Tonyd621 wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:18 pm
PPPP wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:54 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:11 pm New podcast called crookcounty. It’s supposedly about a Chicago hit man nobody knew about. His name is Kenny “the kid” Tekiela. Anybody hear of him?
Anybody listen to this yet? Listened to the first 3 episodes so far. After consulting with an attorney they use aliases for all the Outfit members. So it makes it even harder to verify. The podcast is heavy handed and just okay, IMO. But they lay it on pretty thick that this Ken Tekiela was a hitter for The Outfit and he ran whorehouses.

They mention, IIRC, he started working in the early 80's for a made guy who was the son of Chicago's Chop Shop king. Who would that be? Whose son? Al Pilotto's? Jimmy Catura's? Later he goes on to say he then worked for another made guy who was a crew boss who was a well kept gangster. And who ran all the whorehouses for the outfit in the unincorporated parts of cook, dupage and kane counties.

Starting in episode 3 they are start to get into more of the day to day mafia/outfit stuff. The first 2 eps are more about the family and personal lives.
I am skeptical. I am not nearly as well -versed as others in Chicago but I tried to look up court cases on him. I found two, and both were him responding to an emergency as a paramedic in '89' and '91.' There has to be some documentation linking him to being associated with the Outfit. If he can't even produce it... I think he's lying, imo
In the 4th episode he says the only arrests on his record that someone will be able to find, and they'll have to dig, is an arrest in 1979 and 1980 both for keeping houses of prostitution.
Ok, but is there anything more tangible then that? Idk what does everyone think? Either he is like the steathiest hitman to ever be born in americs or he is bullshitting...And who is saying all this? The hitman himself or a family member? It's 2025, I need more then just your voice on a podcast!
Agreed. He is interviewed by his son on the podcast. In the most recent episode he says he killed a made guy on his own off the record. Described him as fat. Which seems a little hard to believe. The only actual name he has mentioned so far is Tony Spilotro. Why only use his real name? Because he's the most "well known" Chicago mobster to civilians outside Capone? I assume this guy was an associate of an associate and maybe killed someone but to describe themselves as a hitman seems a bit much IMO.
This sounds like bullshit to me. I believe it was implied that Leo Manfredi was killed off the record, but the guys who supposedly did it were later killed themselves. I don't think Manfredi was fat, anyways.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by PPPP » Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:24 pm

Tonyd621 wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:48 pm
PPPP wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:09 pm
Tonyd621 wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:18 pm
PPPP wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:54 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:11 pm New podcast called crookcounty. It’s supposedly about a Chicago hit man nobody knew about. His name is Kenny “the kid” Tekiela. Anybody hear of him?
Anybody listen to this yet? Listened to the first 3 episodes so far. After consulting with an attorney they use aliases for all the Outfit members. So it makes it even harder to verify. The podcast is heavy handed and just okay, IMO. But they lay it on pretty thick that this Ken Tekiela was a hitter for The Outfit and he ran whorehouses.

They mention, IIRC, he started working in the early 80's for a made guy who was the son of Chicago's Chop Shop king. Who would that be? Whose son? Al Pilotto's? Jimmy Catura's? Later he goes on to say he then worked for another made guy who was a crew boss who was a well kept gangster. And who ran all the whorehouses for the outfit in the unincorporated parts of cook, dupage and kane counties.

Starting in episode 3 they are start to get into more of the day to day mafia/outfit stuff. The first 2 eps are more about the family and personal lives.
I am skeptical. I am not nearly as well -versed as others in Chicago but I tried to look up court cases on him. I found two, and both were him responding to an emergency as a paramedic in '89' and '91.' There has to be some documentation linking him to being associated with the Outfit. If he can't even produce it... I think he's lying, imo
In the 4th episode he says the only arrests on his record that someone will be able to find, and they'll have to dig, is an arrest in 1979 and 1980 both for keeping houses of prostitution.
Ok, but is there anything more tangible then that? Idk what does everyone think? Either he is like the steathiest hitman to ever be born in americs or he is bullshitting...And who is saying all this? The hitman himself or a family member? It's 2025, I need more then just your voice on a podcast!
Agreed. He is interviewed by his son on the podcast. In the most recent episode he says he killed a made guy on his own off the record. Described him as fat. Which seems a little hard to believe. The only actual name he has mentioned so far is Tony Spilotro. Why only use his real name? Because he's the most "well known" Chicago mobster to civilians outside Capone? I assume this guy was an associate of an associate and maybe killed someone but to describe themselves as a hitman seems a bit much IMO.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Tonyd621 » Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:48 pm

PPPP wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:09 pm
Tonyd621 wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:18 pm
PPPP wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:54 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:11 pm New podcast called crookcounty. It’s supposedly about a Chicago hit man nobody knew about. His name is Kenny “the kid” Tekiela. Anybody hear of him?
Anybody listen to this yet? Listened to the first 3 episodes so far. After consulting with an attorney they use aliases for all the Outfit members. So it makes it even harder to verify. The podcast is heavy handed and just okay, IMO. But they lay it on pretty thick that this Ken Tekiela was a hitter for The Outfit and he ran whorehouses.

They mention, IIRC, he started working in the early 80's for a made guy who was the son of Chicago's Chop Shop king. Who would that be? Whose son? Al Pilotto's? Jimmy Catura's? Later he goes on to say he then worked for another made guy who was a crew boss who was a well kept gangster. And who ran all the whorehouses for the outfit in the unincorporated parts of cook, dupage and kane counties.

Starting in episode 3 they are start to get into more of the day to day mafia/outfit stuff. The first 2 eps are more about the family and personal lives.
I am skeptical. I am not nearly as well -versed as others in Chicago but I tried to look up court cases on him. I found two, and both were him responding to an emergency as a paramedic in '89' and '91.' There has to be some documentation linking him to being associated with the Outfit. If he can't even produce it... I think he's lying, imo
In the 4th episode he says the only arrests on his record that someone will be able to find, and they'll have to dig, is an arrest in 1979 and 1980 both for keeping houses of prostitution.
Ok, but is there anything more tangible then that? Idk what does everyone think? Either he is like the steathiest hitman to ever be born in americs or he is bullshitting...And who is saying all this? The hitman himself or a family member? It's 2025, I need more then just your voice on a podcast!

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by PPPP » Tue Mar 11, 2025 3:09 pm

Tonyd621 wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 2:18 pm
PPPP wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:54 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:11 pm New podcast called crookcounty. It’s supposedly about a Chicago hit man nobody knew about. His name is Kenny “the kid” Tekiela. Anybody hear of him?
Anybody listen to this yet? Listened to the first 3 episodes so far. After consulting with an attorney they use aliases for all the Outfit members. So it makes it even harder to verify. The podcast is heavy handed and just okay, IMO. But they lay it on pretty thick that this Ken Tekiela was a hitter for The Outfit and he ran whorehouses.

They mention, IIRC, he started working in the early 80's for a made guy who was the son of Chicago's Chop Shop king. Who would that be? Whose son? Al Pilotto's? Jimmy Catura's? Later he goes on to say he then worked for another made guy who was a crew boss who was a well kept gangster. And who ran all the whorehouses for the outfit in the unincorporated parts of cook, dupage and kane counties.

Starting in episode 3 they are start to get into more of the day to day mafia/outfit stuff. The first 2 eps are more about the family and personal lives.
I am skeptical. I am not nearly as well -versed as others in Chicago but I tried to look up court cases on him. I found two, and both were him responding to an emergency as a paramedic in '89' and '91.' There has to be some documentation linking him to being associated with the Outfit. If he can't even produce it... I think he's lying, imo
In the 4th episode he says the only arrests on his record that someone will be able to find, and they'll have to dig, is an arrest in 1979 and 1980 both for keeping houses of prostitution.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by cavita » Mon Mar 10, 2025 6:27 pm

B. wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:13 pm
cavita wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:11 pm
B. wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 4:48 pm Great info. Good question whether Gulotta alone was responsible for giving her money or whether he was tasked with collecting money from other members and making sure she received it. Were Gulotta and Vince particularly close, related in any way, etc.?
There was no specific mention whether Gulotta and Vince were closer than anyone else and there was no relation between them- Gulotta's family coming from Sambuca while Vince's family was from Camporeale. The only thing I can figure is that Gulotta was increasingly becoming entrusted more in the family's gambling areas and Vince, being his capo, was tasked as a responsibility of his.
Yeah that makes sense given Vince was his captain. Is it known who was acting for Vince when he was away?
Yes, in Phil Priola's FBI files there was a Rockford Police Detective who stated he had information that Priola was acting capo while Vince was at Sandstone Penitentiary. Interestingly, Frank Balistrieri was also housed at Sandstone at the same time and FBI files mentioned this.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by B. » Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:45 pm

antimafia wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:34 pm Question for the Chicago researchers: During Prohibition, was there any evidence of Capone and other made members of the Chicago Family paying a salary or regular stipend to rumrunners who, formally speaking, were associates reporting to a soldier?
We don't have many inside sources who could break it down from an organizational perspective in the era, but a Chicago member informant (possibly Leonard Gianola or Ned Bakes) was an associate and booze runner in that era and indicated he made good money although the details on how this was handled are redacted:

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In general though, the mafia employed rumrunners who were often associates and we can assume they typically paid them a stipend or salary of some kind, a possible variable being if the sum changed depending on the load or profits being made.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by B. » Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:13 pm

cavita wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:11 pm
B. wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 4:48 pm Great info. Good question whether Gulotta alone was responsible for giving her money or whether he was tasked with collecting money from other members and making sure she received it. Were Gulotta and Vince particularly close, related in any way, etc.?
There was no specific mention whether Gulotta and Vince were closer than anyone else and there was no relation between them- Gulotta's family coming from Sambuca while Vince's family was from Camporeale. The only thing I can figure is that Gulotta was increasingly becoming entrusted more in the family's gambling areas and Vince, being his capo, was tasked as a responsibility of his.
Yeah that makes sense given Vince was his captain. Is it known who was acting for Vince when he was away?

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by cavita » Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:11 pm

B. wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 4:48 pm Great info. Good question whether Gulotta alone was responsible for giving her money or whether he was tasked with collecting money from other members and making sure she received it. Were Gulotta and Vince particularly close, related in any way, etc.?
There was no specific mention whether Gulotta and Vince were closer than anyone else and there was no relation between them- Gulotta's family coming from Sambuca while Vince's family was from Camporeale. The only thing I can figure is that Gulotta was increasingly becoming entrusted more in the family's gambling areas and Vince, being his capo, was tasked as a responsibility of his.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by B. » Mon Mar 10, 2025 4:48 pm

Great info. Good question whether Gulotta alone was responsible for giving her money or whether he was tasked with collecting money from other members and making sure she received it. Were Gulotta and Vince particularly close, related in any way, etc.?

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by cavita » Mon Mar 10, 2025 4:14 pm

B. wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 12:33 pm Re: pensions, keep in mind too this is an organization that was originally based around kinship and longstanding hometown relationships so it would be presumed that elder/sick members or the relatives of deceased/incarcerated members would receive material assistance from other members given there were blood/marital ties to current members and leaders. Like ordinary blood families of course they don't always help each other, people are greedy, "out of sight, out of mind," etc. (all human phenomena not exclusive to the mafia) but there was still a built-in mechanism for handling these situations. Americanization and the weakening of these links would change that dynamic and could necessitate some kind of formal system for assisting members or their relatives yet it doesn't seem this was done in most cases.
I have a February 17, 1972 FBI file on Rockford LCN member Sebastian "Knobby" Gulotta that is in reference to his capo Charles Vince that states:

[VINCE] is currently serving [a sentence] at [Sandstone Federal Prison, Sandstone, Minnesota] following conviction on [5/71] for [REDACTED].
[REDACTED] stated that it is his understanding that GULOTTA has been assigned by the LCN family to support [NANCY VINCE, wife of CHARLES VINCE], while [VINCE] is in [prison].

The file doesn't state how much Gulotta supported Vince's wife, but she did own a clothing shop at the time and got some income from that. It also doesn't say if any other member had to kick up and support the wife either, but another file stated that Gulotta was tasked with finding an attorney to represent Vince on his charges.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by antimafia » Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:34 pm

Question for the Chicago researchers: During Prohibition, was there any evidence of Capone and other made members of the Chicago Family paying a salary or regular stipend to rumrunners who, formally speaking, were associates reporting to a soldier?

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by B. » Mon Mar 10, 2025 12:33 pm

Re: pensions, keep in mind too this is an organization that was originally based around kinship and longstanding hometown relationships so it would be presumed that elder/sick members or the relatives of deceased/incarcerated members would receive material assistance from other members given there were blood/marital ties to current members and leaders. Like ordinary blood families of course they don't always help each other, people are greedy, "out of sight, out of mind," etc. (all human phenomena not exclusive to the mafia) but there was still a built-in mechanism for handling these situations. Americanization and the weakening of these links would change that dynamic and could necessitate some kind of formal system for assisting members or their relatives yet it doesn't seem this was done in most cases.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by PolackTony » Mon Mar 10, 2025 11:43 am

SonnyC wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 11:13 am
PolackTony wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 4:58 pm
PPPP wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:54 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:11 pm New podcast called crookcounty. It’s supposedly about a Chicago hit man nobody knew about. His name is Kenny “the kid” Tekiela. Anybody hear of him?
They mention, IIRC, he started working in the early 80's for a made guy who was the son of Chicago's Chop Shop king. Who would that be? Whose son? Al Pilotto's? Jimmy Catura's? Later he goes on to say he then worked for another made guy who was a crew boss who was a well kept gangster. And who ran all the whorehouses for the outfit in the unincorporated parts of cook, dupage and kane counties.
My guess is that they were referring to Catuara. He had one son, Carmelo “Carl” Catuara. Carl Catuara was not at all unknown to Federal investigators, but I’ve never seen anything that would suggest that he was a made guy (not that this necessarily means that he was not made, of course).

Carl Catuara was a longtime employee of the IL Secretary of State’s office, under which he managed a drivers license facility on the Westside of Chicago. In 1989, he was questioned by Federal investigators because of personal and financial ties to an executive of an armored car company that operated an armored vehicle from which over $2mil in coins belonging to the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago were stolen. In 1996, it was also revealed that Carl Catuara was a target of Operation Silver Shovel, a major Federal investigation of political corruption in Chicago in the 90s. In 1993, FBI mole John Christopher had purchased two drivers licenses from Carl Catuara under a false name; Catuara was summarily fired from his position with the State of IL, but died soon after.

While the Chicago press reported in coverage of both events that he was the son of Jimmy Catuara, Carl himself was never described as an associate, member, or otherwise affiliated with the outfit.
Yea, Carl was certainly not a made guy. He managed the Secretary of State's DL facility on Lexington, my grandfather was the assistant manager. They had somewhat of an adversarial relationship. Carl's clout was obviously his father. My grandfather's was Angelo Fosco, who was my grandmother's first cousin. As far as I can remember, Carl got transferred out after his father was killed.
SO far as I'm aware, at least, he remained manager until he was fired in 1996 when the Silver Shovel stuff dropped. At the least, he was a manager of a Westside DL facility apparently up until '93, when he sold fake licenses to John Christopher (aka "John DiVito"). The only DL facility that I am aware of on the Westside was that same one out west on Lexington by Laramie (Columbus Park) and I don't think there were any others in the 80s/90s.

I couldn't say categorically that he was *not* made, but nothing I have ever seen would indicate that he was and I personally don't think he was. As you say, his clout would have been his dad (whatever happened there), though it wouldn't surprise me if someone else put him on record later, given that he still would have been a useful guy given his position.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by SonnyC » Mon Mar 10, 2025 11:13 am

PolackTony wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 4:58 pm
PPPP wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:54 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 8:11 pm New podcast called crookcounty. It’s supposedly about a Chicago hit man nobody knew about. His name is Kenny “the kid” Tekiela. Anybody hear of him?
They mention, IIRC, he started working in the early 80's for a made guy who was the son of Chicago's Chop Shop king. Who would that be? Whose son? Al Pilotto's? Jimmy Catura's? Later he goes on to say he then worked for another made guy who was a crew boss who was a well kept gangster. And who ran all the whorehouses for the outfit in the unincorporated parts of cook, dupage and kane counties.
My guess is that they were referring to Catuara. He had one son, Carmelo “Carl” Catuara. Carl Catuara was not at all unknown to Federal investigators, but I’ve never seen anything that would suggest that he was a made guy (not that this necessarily means that he was not made, of course).

Carl Catuara was a longtime employee of the IL Secretary of State’s office, under which he managed a drivers license facility on the Westside of Chicago. In 1989, he was questioned by Federal investigators because of personal and financial ties to an executive of an armored car company that operated an armored vehicle from which over $2mil in coins belonging to the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago were stolen. In 1996, it was also revealed that Carl Catuara was a target of Operation Silver Shovel, a major Federal investigation of political corruption in Chicago in the 90s. In 1993, FBI mole John Christopher had purchased two drivers licenses from Carl Catuara under a false name; Catuara was summarily fired from his position with the State of IL, but died soon after.

While the Chicago press reported in coverage of both events that he was the son of Jimmy Catuara, Carl himself was never described as an associate, member, or otherwise affiliated with the outfit.
Yea, Carl was certainly not a made guy. He managed the Secretary of State's DL facility on Lexington, my grandfather was the assistant manager. They had somewhat of an adversarial relationship. Carl's clout was obviously his father. My grandfather's was Angelo Fosco, who was my grandmother's first cousin. As far as I can remember, Carl got transferred out after his father was killed.

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