THE BLACK HAND FORUM

I don't think heritage would play any role in their understanding that type of rule. As a longtime underboss you'd think Magliocco would know how the system worked, but the Family had no changes to boss/underboss for 30 years while Bruno had gone through his own election and confirmation as boss just years earlier. He personally went through the process he was explaining to Magliocco whereas Magliocco had never experienced it, at least not for decades. Magliocco may have also played dumb to justify his breaking the rules.

Heritage, especially back then, often did give someone a better understanding of the life and the system but only up to a point. And with Bruno, he didn't have the same insane number of relatives in the life when you compare him to Magliocco, but Bruno was from Villalba which was a mafia stronghold in its own right and Bruno was part of a mafia clan spanning multiple villages including Villalba, Vallelunga, and Villafrati that included bosses and he was related by marriage to another multi-generational clan in Philly. He was pretty much the same thing as Magliocco it was just "some relatives" who were mafia members/leaders instead of "every relative" like with Magliocco.

Right, also Profaci and Magliocco both being from Villabate and Bruno being from Caltanissetta province makes it even that much more impressive & surprising for Bruno to be teaching someone closer to Palermo Centro and that someone not being taught that rule already. Or maybe he was taught and like you said B just wasn't sharp enough to retain such lessons "in so many words".

OmarSantista wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 7:44 pm It's interesting the way Magliocco went about the election. It makes me question how well schooled he was by Profaci and even how well schooled Profaci was. It's just odd to me how at that level and at that time, Magliocco didn't understand the; not being able to become/choose a new boss during a time of conflict. A thought is he understood the tensions brewing against Profaci & Bonanno vs. the more liberal commission members and just didn't care what the commission thought after Profaci died. He might've believed it was his family whether the commission liked it or not which Bonanno could've also been putting in his ear.

Yeah I suspect Bonanno was in his ear. With regard to your first point, Magliocco credited Angelo Bruno with knowing more than him about how it all worked. I get the impression Magliocco wasn't particularly sharp when left to his own devices.

It's interesting the way Magliocco went about the election. It makes me question how well schooled he was by Profaci and even how well schooled Profaci was. It's just odd to me how at that level and at that time, Magliocco didn't understand the; not being able to become/choose a new boss during a time of conflict. A thought is he understood the tensions brewing against Profaci & Bonanno vs. the more liberal commission members and just didn't care what the commission thought after Profaci died. He might've believed it was his family whether the commission liked it or not which Bonanno could've also been putting in his ear.

The war started earlier while Profaci was still alive and their faction felt Gambino/Lucchese were behind it. Then when Profaci died, Magliocco rushed an election where captains met with their decine and voted on a new boss and consigliere. In Scarpa's account, his captain Ambrose Magliocco convinced their crew to vote his brother in as boss and the consigliere position was between John Oddo and Salvatore Badalamenti. Magliocco was thus "elected" (consigliere was still open) but as Angelo Bruno later explained to Magliocco, you can't elect an official boss during conflict as the entire Family must agree to support the elected candidate and the Commission refused to recognize Magliocco as official. Bruno also pointed out that Magliocco had refused to meet with the Commission to rectify the issue.

When Joe Colombo was elected boss, he not only had the support of Gambino/Lucchese but according to Patriarca also the support of the Commission as a whole. With the election of Colombo in 1964 and a short time later consigliere Benedetto D'Alessandro, the Colombos had a full official admin for the first time since 1959 and the first officially recognized boss since Profaci in 1962. The Gallo faction also "came in" by the time Colombo became boss, with Larry Gallo included in Family meetings and events, showing the Family was unified behind Colombo's election at least temporarily.

An angle that doesn't get mentioned much is that the Gallos were forming a close relationship to Tony Strollo and the Village crew and allegedly cultivating support from them before Strollo's death. Makes sense given Bonanno believed Vito Genovese had been aligned with Lucchese and Gambino in the liberal takeover of the Commission and that was his faction.

The relationship continued through Gigante as he basically hid out on President Street later on when he was on the outs with the Genovese leadership, then you have Joey Gallo spending his time in the Village, Gigante bringing Albert Gallo and Illiano into the Genovese Family, etc.

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 9:58 am

Juice Terry wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 7:16 am What was the reason for wanting Gambino dead?

Lucchese, Gambino, Magaddino were manipulating members of the Profaci and Bonanno families to cause dissent. Those bosses played a role in both the Bonanno family war and the Profaci/Gallo war in the 60's.

I'm not positive on the timing, but IIRC it came after they refused to approve Magliocco as the new boss.

I think that Sally musacchio was that guy, not Colombo

Gambino specifically gave an audience to the Gallos and put members of their faction under his protection which incensed Bonanno and Profaci/Magliocco.

Juice Terry wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 7:16 am What was the reason for wanting Gambino dead?

Lucchese, Gambino, Magaddino were manipulating members of the Profaci and Bonanno families to cause dissent. Those bosses played a role in both the Bonanno family war and the Profaci/Gallo war in the 60's.

What was the reason for wanting Gambino dead?

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 6:36 am I was watching this new mafia documentary narrated by Michael Imperoli and in the beginning of the second episode, Michael franzese stated how "Colombo" the first italian- American mob boss was on a hit squad to kill Carlo Gambino. However, instead of killing him, Colombo told Gambino and Gambino made him boss of the "Colombo crime family." If this is true, I am interested in knowing more about this. Anybody can provide any links or previous deep dives into this, please post in thread. Thank

This story is old. It's not new information from Franzese.

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 6:36 am I was watching this new mafia documentary narrated by Michael Imperoli and in the beginning of the second episode, Michael franzese stated how "Colombo" the first italian- American mob boss was on a hit squad to kill Carlo Gambino. However, instead of killing him, Colombo told Gambino and Gambino made him boss of the "Colombo crime family." If this is true, I am interested in knowing more about this. Anybody can provide any links or previous deep dives into this, please post in thread. Thank

This is just another version of the story where Bonanno and Magliocco were conspiring to kill Gambino and Lucchese. Supposedly they gave the hit to Colombo and he ratted them out to Gambino and because of that Gambino supported Colombo as boss when they deposed Magliocco. It’s told in many books with different versions, it’s nothing new and imo probably not true.

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 6:36 am I was watching this new mafia documentary narrated by Michael Imperoli and in the beginning of the second episode, Michael franzese stated how "Colombo" the first italian- American mob boss was on a hit squad to kill Carlo Gambino. However, instead of killing him, Colombo told Gambino and Gambino made him boss of the "Colombo crime family." If this is true, I am interested in knowing more about this. Anybody can provide any links or previous deep dives into this, please post in thread. Thank

This is just another version of the story where Bonanno and Magliocco were conspiring to kill Gambino and Lucchese. Supposedly gave the hit to Colombo and he ratted them out to Gambino and because of that Gambino supported Colombo as boss when they deposed Magliocco. It’s told in many books with different versions, it’s nothing new.

For me, some of it is new, some old. Most interesting thing to me so far, is apparently an fbi agent named Jim Nelson, retired colombo squad agent, stated how he gave blood to Colombo right after he was shot. Colombo had a blood type of B-negative which is a very small population of people who have that... This is the actual fbi agent stating this.