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Re: Detroit LCN Capos 2024

by SonnyBlackstein » Mon Aug 19, 2024 11:03 am

jmack wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:08 am Can we stop with the personal insults or at least take it to the graveyard? I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the only difference is burden of proof. WG and Pogo believe that the feds need to identify someone as made to believe it. You believe that street rumors are enough. Neither of you are right and neither are wrong. Your line of thinking will result in many more errors than theirs (much like the feds before they changed the criteria to carry someone as made - basically confirmation by a member source). Their line of thinking will result in slower acknowledgment that someone is made, but not many errors. The boards need objective people like WG and Pogo because they are a good barometer. Their criteria doesn’t change so it’s easy to evaluate. Can we stop acting like 12 year old girls calling people names and get back on topic?
Its a frustration because it paints a fantasy-land picture and many here are looking for a factual history of a prominent social element in US/NYC history.
People here are trying to compile an understanding of prominent aspect of Italian American history and when its sullied peeps patience gets thin as the work to compile an accurate ledger, for lack of a better term, of its history is bloody hard (secret society what not) and certain social misfits on here think bullshitting will get them a moment in the sun.

'Street' peeps are right about almost never.

Re: Detroit LCN Capos 2024

by Wiseguy » Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:17 am

Tocco686 wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 9:25 am
Newyorkempire wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:56 am So wait. The Detroit family is defunct? Or are they defunct and active at the same tine??
I wish people would stop using this word. The definition of Defunct is, no longer existing or functioning. So if you want to follow that definition then Yes, they still exist. Is the family anywhere near the size and power it used to be…No. Yes, they are still a functioning group involved in illegal activities. I believe they still have a structured Hierarchy. Jackie, Lapiana, Tocco’s, D’Anna’s and Corrado’s. Everyone else I believe is just associates working under these 10-12 guys.
That brings up the long-debated question of exactly when a family does become defunct. Some think it's not until the last member takes his final breath. Is Fernando Bartolotta still being alive mean St. Louis is still around?

For me, only a half-dozen confirmed Detroit members is problem #1. Pretty much any information about a hierarchy coming solely from a source I would consider untrustworthy - particularly on the subject of hierarchies - is problem #2. Little to nothing in the way of cases going back years now is problem #3. Take away Scott and are we even having this conversation?

Re: Detroit LCN Capos 2024

by Tocco686 » Mon Aug 19, 2024 9:25 am

Newyorkempire wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:56 am So wait. The Detroit family is defunct? Or are they defunct and active at the same tine??
I wish people would stop using this word. The definition of Defunct is, no longer existing or functioning. So if you want to follow that definition then Yes, they still exist. Is the family anywhere near the size and power it used to be…No. Yes, they are still a functioning group involved in illegal activities. I believe they still have a structured Hierarchy. Jackie, Lapiana, Tocco’s, D’Anna’s and Corrado’s. Everyone else I believe is just associates working under these 10-12 guys.

Re: Detroit LCN Capos 2024

by Newyorkempire » Mon Aug 19, 2024 5:56 am

So wait. The Detroit family is defunct? Or are they defunct and active at the same tine??

Re: Detroit LCN Capos 2024

by Wiseguy » Mon Aug 19, 2024 3:46 am

CornerBoy wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2024 2:59 am Scott knows many members of the Tocco blood family, many ppl in the street in Motor City & has lived in Detroit I think for most of his life *-- he also knows many former mob chasers that now are successful, reputable defense attorneys or retired etc. he gets both sides first hand. you read indictments. Yet, you claim to be more informed than he?
I think he knows the truth but the truth doesn't pay the bills. As I've said before, Scott isn't so much a journalist as a salesman, and the mob is his product. A defunct crime family doesn't sell.

Beyond that, for all his connections you tout above, it's astounding to me how quickly people forget how often he's been wrong. And it's because he's selling what the gullible want. Anyone can be better informed than much of the info he puts out. But, besides being honest, it takes a certain amount of built up knowledge over time that most aren't willing to put the work in for. It's much easier for mob aficionados, who will always find a stronger Mafia more interesting than a weaker one, to simply depend on sensationalist. It's why you have no answers for what I posted above but simply try to appeal to whatever Scott says.

Re: Detroit LCN Capos 2024

by CornerBoy » Mon Aug 19, 2024 2:59 am

Scott knows many members of the Tocco blood family, many ppl in the street in Motor City & has lived in Detroit I think for most of his life *-- he also knows many former mob chasers that now are successful, reputable defense attorneys or retired etc. he gets both sides first hand. you read indictments. Yet, you claim to be more informed than he?

Re: Detroit LCN Capos 2024

by Wiseguy » Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:54 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:01 pm
Teflon Dom wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 2:46 pm [The least reliable people on the subject

The most reliable being Fuggetaboutit and his multiple accounts. :lol:


Pogo
The assclown accuses us of lying when, beside the obvious point that we have no reason to lie, and would get nothing out of doing so, he can't even be honest about who he is.

Anyway, some may recall the bogus charts floating around on the forums 20 years ago that would show around 20 members for St. Louis and around 30 for Milwaukee. This latest Detroit chart is the same thing over again.

For those who live in reality, Detroit was said by the feds to have 29-30 members between 1996 and 2001. Even Scott himself had them at 25 members in his 2006 book. Since then, at least 22 members have died. Do...the...math. And if you can only respond with either, "They could have made more members" or "Scott Bernstein said...," don't bother since that just proves my point.

Of those names on the chart, only Dominick Corrado, Paul A. Corrado, Peter J. Corrado, Jack Giacalone, Joseph Giacalone and Anthony LaPiana have been identified as made by official sources, as far as I'm aware. Once again, Bernstein doesn't count. I don't know how many times people have to be burned by him before they wise up and stop taking what he reports at face value. Anyone who thinks Detroit has 20-30 members today is living in fantasy land. In all probability it doesn't even have 10.

And we're seeing the same thing there that we've repeatedly seen in other cities where the LCN family has died out. Membership dwindling to the point that there is no real functioning hierarchy anymore. Most of the actually inducted (not "speculated") members old and inactive. Most of their relatives or associates have gone legit. And what criminal activity remains mostly in the form of bookmaking and loansharking. And even that is largely supplementary to their legit businesses.

We won't see anything like the 1996 Gamtax case again. We likely won't even see anything like the much smaller, and insignificant, 2006 case. That should tell you all you need to know.

Re: Detroit LCN Capos 2024

by Pogo The Clown » Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:01 pm

Teflon Dom wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 2:46 pm [The least reliable people on the subject

The most reliable being Fuggetaboutit and his multiple accounts. :lol:


Pogo

Re: Detroit LCN Capos 2024

by Newyorkempire » Sun Aug 18, 2024 2:50 pm

Long Live Detroit. At least another few decades left.

Re: Detroit LCN Capos 2024

by Teflon Dom » Sun Aug 18, 2024 2:46 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:00 am
Newyorkempire wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:02 am So again. The people on this board that claim that Detroit is defunct are just lying?
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20 to 30 members plus the associates. Is not dead is active but is the more weak of the small families. Because there are very few italians in Detroit.
Great chart. It's always the same few nerds that are wannabe FBI agents that subscribe to weird Mormon beliefs but have zero clue what is going on unless and FBI report says so. The least reliable people on the subject

Re: Detroit LCN Capos 2024

by gohnjotti » Sun Aug 18, 2024 12:41 pm

Tocco686 wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:39 pm Freddy Giordano who owned Andiamo’s, BT’s strip club, the Post Bar in Dearborn and the Rusted crow Downtown Detroit is a money launderer.

Chuck Rizzo who owned Rizzo Sanitation got popped for embezzlement bid rigging throughout Oakland and other surrounding
counties.

-The D’Annas are heavily involved in Heroin.
-Gambling, Bookmaking, extortion, prostitution and street taxing strip clubs has always been a staple for these guys.

I know they run a lot of scams through used car lots with stolen parts. One of them was Collins Motors.
Thank you, apologies the question was a little unclear.

Re: Detroit LCN Capos 2024

by Tocco686 » Sun Aug 18, 2024 12:22 pm

Detroit is not defunct. Do they have 30 members. I don’t believe so. I grew up in Detroit and now live in the Burbs of Metro Detroit. Do they have the same power they had from the 70s to the Mid 90’s…No. I would put them in the same category of KC. About a dozen give or take made guys still bookmaking and drug dealing coasting off past reputation. Not really any up and comers. These guys were smart. They didn’t want their kids in this life. Most of them are boardroom whit collar gangsters now. I know they use black/Hispanic and biker gangs to do the heavy lifting/dirty work. But, I guess anyone with money can be dangerous and hire people to hurt you. I think as long as people deal in drugs, prostitution and illegal gambling these guys will always have a place. I believe when Giacalone, Lapiana and the D’Anna’s pass they’ll be pretty much over. But you never know.

Re: Detroit LCN Capos 2024

by JoePuzzles234 » Sun Aug 18, 2024 12:08 pm

Tocco686 wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:46 am Great Chart. I always love seeing recent pics of these guys. I have most present day ones. Couple guys are pretty hard to find recent pics. Please PM me if you ever get any of these guys.
Thank you. I have a Pinterest board where I upload and label the photos I come across, all of the images used on the chart should be there.
-Jack Giacalone. Most recent pic I have is one where he’s wearing a mask for his lawsuit he won last year. I literally live down the street from him. Dude never leaves his house. He’s like a hermit. I don’t see him at the Stage Deli anymore either. I know his kid runs a dispensary in Farmington Hills area. He always speeds down our street. He’s not connected in anyway besides his Dad being a Boss.
I also haven't seen anything recent on Jack V. Giacalone, I've posted a few of his brother Vincent and cousins Joseph & Jack W.
-Louis Stramaglia
Only ever seen the photo from Jiggy's defunct website personally, I did try digging through newspapers.com when I had a subscription and couldn't find any photos despite the coverage of his legal issues in Florida.
-Little Pete Tocco I feel like the pic we have is from the late 90s. He’s gotta look different now.

These are from either last year or 2022. I think his mugshot was from the 2006 gambling bust, not the 1990s.

Photo 1, Photo 2, Photo 3
-Anthony Lapiana. I don’t know of any current pics of him. And I’ve searched everywhere. Someone pointed him out at Caucus Club to me when I was there for a business meeting. Didn’t feel right trying to snap a shot of him.
Yeah nothing here either, I think you are probably in the best position to obtain anything recent, I've only ever seen his young mugshot and the Motor City Mafia surveillance photo.
I also got some pics of some Zips from Sicily that are involved with the D’anna’s. Have no idea what their names are. Went to a function at Mare, they were there too. You can see them a lot at La Strada with Tony lop or at Sapori’s on 27 & Mound with Joe D’Anna.

I just have this feeling like the D’annas are slowly taking control of the family. They have a lot of pull and I feel Jackie is so disconnected and buffered from the day to day operations people are not properly kicking up what they should.
No clue about the D'Anna associates either, the only other name I've seen linked to them was your post about Girolamo's son.

Scott is also reporting something along those lines, that eventually whatever is left will be under the brothers and their group.

Re: Detroit LCN Capos 2024

by Newyorkempire » Sun Aug 18, 2024 12:02 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:49 am
Newyorkempire wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:21 am
furiofromnaples wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:00 am
Newyorkempire wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:02 am So again. The people on this board that claim that Detroit is defunct are just lying?
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20 to 30 members plus the associates. Is not dead is active but is the more weak of the small families. Because there are very few italians in Detroit.
Thanks Furio. Now we know who the liars are on here
If you know the real situation,so say it to me.
Pogo knows. He said the family is defunct

Re: Detroit LCN Capos 2024

by furiofromnaples » Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:49 am

Newyorkempire wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:21 am
furiofromnaples wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 9:00 am
Newyorkempire wrote: Sun Aug 18, 2024 8:02 am So again. The people on this board that claim that Detroit is defunct are just lying?
Image

20 to 30 members plus the associates. Is not dead is active but is the more weak of the small families. Because there are very few italians in Detroit.
Thanks Furio. Now we know who the liars are on here
If you know the real situation,so say it to me.

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