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davidf1989 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:59 pm I agree with you about Rico. Weren’t the Flemmi brothers, Barboza and Buddy McLean among his favourite informants which says it all about the man.

Ivan wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:34 pm

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:30 pm

Ivan wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:26 pm I'm starting to get into the "real life The Departed" again. Was obsessed with it 20 years ago. Do they cover Paul Rico any in the Double Deal podcast? That guy is one of the scariest people I've ever heard about in the history of the mob.

Even when he was still considered a "good guy", there was something sinister and off about him. Like in his testimony here: https://www.c-span.org/video/?8402-1/ju ... ment-trial

Yes the double deal podcast covers Paul Rico in their podcast. here are the episodes that cover his career and involvement in Boston's organized crime. https://www.doubledealpodcast.com/category/h-paul-rico/ I think that he, Morris and Connolly were among the worst agents in FBI's history.

Thanks, this is perfect. Morris and Connolly were bad enough but Rico was a full-on gangster in his own right.

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:30 pm

Ivan wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:26 pm I'm starting to get into the "real life The Departed" again. Was obsessed with it 20 years ago. Do they cover Paul Rico any in the Double Deal podcast? That guy is one of the scariest people I've ever heard about in the history of the mob.

Even when he was still considered a "good guy", there was something sinister and off about him. Like in his testimony here: https://www.c-span.org/video/?8402-1/ju ... ment-trial

Yes the double deal podcast covers Paul Rico in their podcast. here are the episodes that cover his career and involvement in Boston's organized crime. https://www.doubledealpodcast.com/category/h-paul-rico/ I think that he, Morris and Connolly were among the worst agents in FBI's history.

Ivan wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 11:26 pm I'm starting to get into the "real life The Departed" again. Was obsessed with it 20 years ago. Do they cover Paul Rico any in the Double Deal podcast? That guy is one of the scariest people I've ever heard about in the history of the mob.

Even when he was still considered a "good guy", there was something sinister and off about him. Like in his testimony here: https://www.c-span.org/video/?8402-1/ju ... ment-trial

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2024 5:01 am

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 6:08 am

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 6:01 am

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 8:36 pm

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 5:52 am

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 12:41 am

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:23 am Fellow New England guys,
What happened to Double Deal podcast? They seem to have just stopped uploading. I've emailed them and never heard anything. It was such a great show especially for NE topics.

I think that Lara is busy with school and work as i inquired about it in Easter by sending her a facebook message.

It was a great show so far as it makes the case that Buddy McLean, Frankie Salemme and possibly Howie Winter were informants in the 1960’s. I hope that the show will come back one day.

David thanks for the update. It just seemed like they stopped out of the blue. Hope they can pick up where they left off, one of the best OC podcasts and the best NE OC podcast for sure.

No worries Jake and could Buddy McLean have been the one to create the relationship between Winter Hill and the Feds? Maybe he recruited Howie Winter into the informant program?

It's possible. I know Condon and Rico hated the McGloughlins so it would make sense that they went to their rivals after the war started. Not sure if the feds were talking to Buddy before the war or not. The Irish gang war of the 60s was kind of like the 3rd Colombo war where the feds were helping one side and that side won the war.

Thanks for your response and would the race fixing still have happened if Buddy was still alive?

100% Those guys loved to gamble. Im sure all of that would have turned out pretty much the same. Although I would love a timeline without Tony Ciulla. Interesting to imagine if he was never around and Buddy never got killed, how it would have changed OC history in Boston.

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 6:08 am

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 6:01 am

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 8:36 pm

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 5:52 am

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 12:41 am

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:23 am Fellow New England guys,
What happened to Double Deal podcast? They seem to have just stopped uploading. I've emailed them and never heard anything. It was such a great show especially for NE topics.

I think that Lara is busy with school and work as i inquired about it in Easter by sending her a facebook message.

It was a great show so far as it makes the case that Buddy McLean, Frankie Salemme and possibly Howie Winter were informants in the 1960’s. I hope that the show will come back one day.

David thanks for the update. It just seemed like they stopped out of the blue. Hope they can pick up where they left off, one of the best OC podcasts and the best NE OC podcast for sure.

No worries Jake and could Buddy McLean have been the one to create the relationship between Winter Hill and the Feds? Maybe he recruited Howie Winter into the informant program?

It's possible. I know Condon and Rico hated the McGloughlins so it would make sense that they went to their rivals after the war started. Not sure if the feds were talking to Buddy before the war or not. The Irish gang war of the 60s was kind of like the 3rd Colombo war where the feds were helping one side and that side won the war.

Thanks for your response and would the race fixing still have happened if Buddy was still alive?

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 6:01 am

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 8:36 pm

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 5:52 am

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 12:41 am

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:23 am Fellow New England guys,
What happened to Double Deal podcast? They seem to have just stopped uploading. I've emailed them and never heard anything. It was such a great show especially for NE topics.

I think that Lara is busy with school and work as i inquired about it in Easter by sending her a facebook message.

It was a great show so far as it makes the case that Buddy McLean, Frankie Salemme and possibly Howie Winter were informants in the 1960’s. I hope that the show will come back one day.

David thanks for the update. It just seemed like they stopped out of the blue. Hope they can pick up where they left off, one of the best OC podcasts and the best NE OC podcast for sure.

No worries Jake and could Buddy McLean have been the one to create the relationship between Winter Hill and the Feds? Maybe he recruited Howie Winter into the informant program?

It's possible. I know Condon and Rico hated the McGloughlins so it would make sense that they went to their rivals after the war started. Not sure if the feds were talking to Buddy before the war or not. The Irish gang war of the 60s was kind of like the 3rd Colombo war where the feds were helping one side and that side won the war.

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 8:36 pm

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 5:52 am

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 12:41 am

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:23 am Fellow New England guys,
What happened to Double Deal podcast? They seem to have just stopped uploading. I've emailed them and never heard anything. It was such a great show especially for NE topics.

I think that Lara is busy with school and work as i inquired about it in Easter by sending her a facebook message.

It was a great show so far as it makes the case that Buddy McLean, Frankie Salemme and possibly Howie Winter were informants in the 1960’s. I hope that the show will come back one day.

David thanks for the update. It just seemed like they stopped out of the blue. Hope they can pick up where they left off, one of the best OC podcasts and the best NE OC podcast for sure.

No worries Jake and could Buddy McLean have been the one to create the relationship between Winter Hill and the Feds? Maybe he recruited Howie Winter into the informant program?

CornerBoy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 4:24 am are there any good mob podcasts out there? Or books? Thanks!

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 5:52 am

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 12:41 am

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:23 am Fellow New England guys,
What happened to Double Deal podcast? They seem to have just stopped uploading. I've emailed them and never heard anything. It was such a great show especially for NE topics.

I think that Lara is busy with school and work as i inquired about it in Easter by sending her a facebook message.

It was a great show so far as it makes the case that Buddy McLean, Frankie Salemme and possibly Howie Winter were informants in the 1960’s. I hope that the show will come back one day.

David thanks for the update. It just seemed like they stopped out of the blue. Hope they can pick up where they left off, one of the best OC podcasts and the best NE OC podcast for sure.

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 12:41 am

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:23 am Fellow New England guys,
What happened to Double Deal podcast? They seem to have just stopped uploading. I've emailed them and never heard anything. It was such a great show especially for NE topics.

I think that Lara is busy with school and work as i inquired about it in Easter by sending her a facebook message.

It was a great show so far as it makes the case that Buddy McLean, Frankie Salemme and possibly Howie Winter were informants in the 1960’s. I hope that the show will come back one day.

JakeTheSnake630 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:23 am Fellow New England guys,
What happened to Double Deal podcast? They seem to have just stopped uploading. I've emailed them and never heard anything. It was such a great show especially for NE topics.