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Re: Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

by OcSleeper » Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:37 pm

Ahh I see what you mean. I would think it's just the way the family submitted the obituary instead of Antonio or both being siblings.

Re: Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

by antimafia » Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:48 am

^^^^
Some of the family trees and charts prepared by officers of the Halton Regional Police Service contain errors or omissions or both. Private investigator (PI) Derrick Snowdy was the first to publicly share some of these documents, especially on the former Twitter, and at the time I was so happy to see the documents that I didn't question the propriety of these being shared on social media, why a particular PI is sharing them, why he had copies (he had stated he had a storage locker full of docs), how Snowdy and Paul Manning knew each other, etc. Most important, I also failed to examine why I was indiscreet by being the first to share such documents here on TBHF and Gangster BB Net.

If the family tree above is correct, then Antonia Luppino Ferrara was Giacomo Luppino's surviving sibling -- his sister -- at the time of his death, with Antonio Ferrara being his brother-in-law. If true, the obituary should have been worded along the lines of Dear brother of Antonia Ferrara (Antonio), both of Italy or Dear brother of Antonia (Antonio Ferrara), both of Italy.

But Luppino's obituary lists Antonio first. Based on what we thought we knew, there are a couple of possible misreadings caused by the obit: Antonio Ferrara and Antonio Ferrara are Luppino's brother and sister, resepctively, and for some reason bear a surname different from Luppino's; Antonio Ferrara is Luppino's brother, with Antonia being Luppino's sister-in-law as a result of her marriage to Antonio, i.e., she is Mrs. Ferrara.
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The obituary ran in print 8 times over 3 consecutive days: 6 times in the Hamilton Spectator, 2 times in the Burlington Spectator. If there was a typo, I'm not sure why it wasn't corrected. But then again there was a typo in the married name of the Luppino daughter Carmela: she is Carmela Rugolo, not Carmela Pugolo. There is an Ancestry user who strongly insinuates that she is an unacknowledged child of one of Giacomo Luppino's married adult children.

Re: Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

by OcSleeper » Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:36 pm

Thanks for sharing Anti.

Why do you wonder if the mention of a brother in Italy is a typo? A Antonia and Antonio Ferrara appear on the family tree Manning had shared.
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Nice to see something else confirm the Violi brothers and their mother stayed in Montreal for several years after Paolo's murder. I believe we discussed it after an article about Giuseppe Violi's parole mentioned it and we pointed it out then.

Re: Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

by antimafia » Sun Jun 30, 2024 8:38 pm

I finally found proper online newspaper obituaries for Giacomo Luppino and his wife, Domenica (née Todaro) -- I previously wasn't using proper search terms.

Giacomo Luppino's obituary mentions he is a brother to an Antonio and Antonia Ferrara of Italy -- not sure whether this was a typo or that the relationship requires investigating. I thought there would be a mention of relatives in Australia; I thought wrong.

If anyone wants to see or review part of the discussion about Domenica's ancestry and the conjecture that she was related to the Todaros of Buffalo, please go to viewtopic.php?p=120584&hilit=Todaro+Domenica#p120584. I'm afraid that Domenica's obituary doesn't specify her birthplace at all. The obit does mention a brother, Carlo, of Italy. Another interesting tidbit is that Paolo Violi's wife, Grazia, still appeared to be in Montreal more than 4 years after her husband was murdered -- the narrative has always been that she and her children moved to Hamilton shortly thereafter.

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Re: Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

by NickleCity » Fri Jun 28, 2024 6:22 pm

B. wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:15 pm
Newyorkempire wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:53 pm
johnny_scootch wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:35 pm Connections are sources of pride for mafiosi they’re badges of honor, cultivated and even passed down through generations in some cases. In modern times now that these guys are far removed from the Sicilian towns their fathers and grandfathers came from many of these cross family relationships are formed in prison. It’s not a stretch at all to think a member or a trusted associate of the Colombo family has a connection/the ability to reach out to a member or associate of the Todaro family to pass messages or set up meetings.
Pretty sure Bifulco was locked up with Anthony Donato
If true, that is a very good detail to know. Johnny makes a great point that prison relationships are a huge factor in these connections, especially today. You see these group photos of guys from different Families and that is just scratching the surface. Guys who do good time together end up like brothers.
Proof in point about prison relationships from the Gerace/Bongiovanni case.

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Re: Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

by B. » Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:15 pm

Iacobacci swearing fealty with a La Nova hat -- nice.

Re: Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

by Ivan » Thu Jun 27, 2024 3:06 pm

Stroccos wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:55 pm Borgata no interest is going there , maybe the food is good? , never heard anyone really talk about it ,
everyone is pretty much dead now anyways ,

No don’t want it spread all over the internet family members is in the photo who are still alive , if they died before me then I will post it
If you have a Windows computer, maybe search it for "Snipping Tool" and use that thing to crop out everyone but Loose?

Re: Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

by Newyorkempire » Thu Jun 27, 2024 2:13 pm

Stroccos wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:55 pm
Newyorkempire wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:53 am
Stroccos wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:49 am
Ivan wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:30 am
Angelo Santino wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:01 am
Ivan wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:11 am
Angelo Santino wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:49 am If these two groups have any connections whatsoever (even down to a Colombo using a laundrymat that Buffalo owns), there would be formal introductions made, that's the mafia at play as a network. It's not exciting or sexy. It's as simple and easy as a Buffalo member attending a Gambino party and encountering one of the few remaining New Orleans' members (or a Chicago member or a Philly member, take your pick). They'll be formally introduced as brothers and what, if anything, they decide to do is their own business.
A very knowledgeable and reliable source has told me that Russell Papalardo in Cleveland still enjoys this sort of treatment as a "brother" in this way by other mafia figures and Cleveland is still regarded as "represented" amid mafia matters by him even though the family is defunct and he's the only made guy still living.
It's truly the essence of what makes the mafia the mafia. If criminality were the sole factor "the Italians" would have died out long ago.
One of the more mind-blowing epiphanies I've had about the mafia is that the reflexive and cynical they're-just-after-money take on the mafia, while having a grain of truth to it, is for the most part pseudo-sophisticated bullshit, while the corny Joe Bonanno thing about it being an old tradition of brotherhood/honor/respect is more or less true.
But when you think of it as a network, what incentive is there to let it die? That could equate to keeping communication with Chicago, Detroit, Buffalo, Pittsburgh (if there is anything left) and New York. It doesn't have to be Papalardo plotting to "rebuild" (ie a Family structure complete with captains with Moltistanti-style grunt 'made men') which is what most outsiders would expect and in fact, would argue he's nonviable if he doesn't.
Cleveland is a really fascinating example of the network that encompasses associates, legit businessmen, labor, unmade criminals etc. surviving the family's "death." What was once a "structured crime family" has evolved into a network of shady but mostly legit guys centered on a certain staffing agency, with a lot of familiar surnames popping up if you examine who's a part of that network.

Anyway, I would be shocked if Papalardo and Todaro were not personally acquainted, given the above factors and the fact that their cities are "right down the road" from one another.
Allot of these guys where connected from back when the unions were still under control . Allot of Buffalo / cleveland connections over the years
I know loose has been to Buffalo for some meetings I even have a photo of loose in La nova pizzeria hat .
As I said. I know him and Sidari know each other. I'm sure he knows Papalardo. Great authentic as it gets Little Italy. 3 hours from Buffalo. Borgata is a great spot. Guy named Tommy owns it.

Can you share pic of Loose??
Borgata no interest is going there , maybe the food is good? , never heard anyone really talk about it ,
everyone is pretty much dead now anyways ,

No don’t want it spread all over the internet family members is in the photo who are still alive , if they died before me then I will post it
Foods good. Cheap drinks. Card games. Is an actual Italian bar. Old school feel

Re: Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

by Stroccos » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:55 pm

Newyorkempire wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:53 am
Stroccos wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:49 am
Ivan wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:30 am
Angelo Santino wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:01 am
Ivan wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:11 am
Angelo Santino wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:49 am If these two groups have any connections whatsoever (even down to a Colombo using a laundrymat that Buffalo owns), there would be formal introductions made, that's the mafia at play as a network. It's not exciting or sexy. It's as simple and easy as a Buffalo member attending a Gambino party and encountering one of the few remaining New Orleans' members (or a Chicago member or a Philly member, take your pick). They'll be formally introduced as brothers and what, if anything, they decide to do is their own business.
A very knowledgeable and reliable source has told me that Russell Papalardo in Cleveland still enjoys this sort of treatment as a "brother" in this way by other mafia figures and Cleveland is still regarded as "represented" amid mafia matters by him even though the family is defunct and he's the only made guy still living.
It's truly the essence of what makes the mafia the mafia. If criminality were the sole factor "the Italians" would have died out long ago.
One of the more mind-blowing epiphanies I've had about the mafia is that the reflexive and cynical they're-just-after-money take on the mafia, while having a grain of truth to it, is for the most part pseudo-sophisticated bullshit, while the corny Joe Bonanno thing about it being an old tradition of brotherhood/honor/respect is more or less true.
But when you think of it as a network, what incentive is there to let it die? That could equate to keeping communication with Chicago, Detroit, Buffalo, Pittsburgh (if there is anything left) and New York. It doesn't have to be Papalardo plotting to "rebuild" (ie a Family structure complete with captains with Moltistanti-style grunt 'made men') which is what most outsiders would expect and in fact, would argue he's nonviable if he doesn't.
Cleveland is a really fascinating example of the network that encompasses associates, legit businessmen, labor, unmade criminals etc. surviving the family's "death." What was once a "structured crime family" has evolved into a network of shady but mostly legit guys centered on a certain staffing agency, with a lot of familiar surnames popping up if you examine who's a part of that network.

Anyway, I would be shocked if Papalardo and Todaro were not personally acquainted, given the above factors and the fact that their cities are "right down the road" from one another.
Allot of these guys where connected from back when the unions were still under control . Allot of Buffalo / cleveland connections over the years
I know loose has been to Buffalo for some meetings I even have a photo of loose in La nova pizzeria hat .
As I said. I know him and Sidari know each other. I'm sure he knows Papalardo. Great authentic as it gets Little Italy. 3 hours from Buffalo. Borgata is a great spot. Guy named Tommy owns it.

Can you share pic of Loose??
Borgata no interest is going there , maybe the food is good? , never heard anyone really talk about it ,
everyone is pretty much dead now anyways ,

No don’t want it spread all over the internet family members is in the photo who are still alive , if they died before me then I will post it

Re: Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

by Stroccos » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:46 pm

Newyorkempire wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:49 am
Stroccos wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:41 am
Newyorkempire wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:53 pm
johnny_scootch wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:35 pm Connections are sources of pride for mafiosi they’re badges of honor, cultivated and even passed down through generations in some cases. In modern times now that these guys are far removed from the Sicilian towns their fathers and grandfathers came from many of these cross family relationships are formed in prison. It’s not a stretch at all to think a member or a trusted associate of the Colombo family has a connection/the ability to reach out to a member or associate of the Todaro family to pass messages or set up meetings.
Pretty sure Bifulco was locked up with Anthony Donato
Did they segregate aids inmates back then ? I was nervous to even shake Bifulco hand
Ouch. He couldn't resist the prostitutes that's for sure. He had a disease cocktail I heard.
I dunno what he all had , was slowly dying for the last 15 years or so before he died ,but He defiantly had aids I am superseded he made it as long as he did

Re: Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

by johnny_scootch » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:08 pm

Angelo Santino wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:53 am Prison is a very interesting topic. The next article I have to write will be about the prison system in Italy.
Looking forward to it.

Re: Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

by Newyorkempire » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:53 am

Stroccos wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:49 am
Ivan wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:30 am
Angelo Santino wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:01 am
Ivan wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:11 am
Angelo Santino wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:49 am If these two groups have any connections whatsoever (even down to a Colombo using a laundrymat that Buffalo owns), there would be formal introductions made, that's the mafia at play as a network. It's not exciting or sexy. It's as simple and easy as a Buffalo member attending a Gambino party and encountering one of the few remaining New Orleans' members (or a Chicago member or a Philly member, take your pick). They'll be formally introduced as brothers and what, if anything, they decide to do is their own business.
A very knowledgeable and reliable source has told me that Russell Papalardo in Cleveland still enjoys this sort of treatment as a "brother" in this way by other mafia figures and Cleveland is still regarded as "represented" amid mafia matters by him even though the family is defunct and he's the only made guy still living.
It's truly the essence of what makes the mafia the mafia. If criminality were the sole factor "the Italians" would have died out long ago.
One of the more mind-blowing epiphanies I've had about the mafia is that the reflexive and cynical they're-just-after-money take on the mafia, while having a grain of truth to it, is for the most part pseudo-sophisticated bullshit, while the corny Joe Bonanno thing about it being an old tradition of brotherhood/honor/respect is more or less true.
But when you think of it as a network, what incentive is there to let it die? That could equate to keeping communication with Chicago, Detroit, Buffalo, Pittsburgh (if there is anything left) and New York. It doesn't have to be Papalardo plotting to "rebuild" (ie a Family structure complete with captains with Moltistanti-style grunt 'made men') which is what most outsiders would expect and in fact, would argue he's nonviable if he doesn't.
Cleveland is a really fascinating example of the network that encompasses associates, legit businessmen, labor, unmade criminals etc. surviving the family's "death." What was once a "structured crime family" has evolved into a network of shady but mostly legit guys centered on a certain staffing agency, with a lot of familiar surnames popping up if you examine who's a part of that network.

Anyway, I would be shocked if Papalardo and Todaro were not personally acquainted, given the above factors and the fact that their cities are "right down the road" from one another.
Allot of these guys where connected from back when the unions were still under control . Allot of Buffalo / cleveland connections over the years
I know loose has been to Buffalo for some meetings I even have a photo of loose in La nova pizzeria hat .
As I said. I know him and Sidari know each other. I'm sure he knows Papalardo. Great authentic as it gets Little Italy. 3 hours from Buffalo. Borgata is a great spot. Guy named Tommy owns it.

Can you share pic of Loose??

Re: Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

by Newyorkempire » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:49 am

Stroccos wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:41 am
Newyorkempire wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:53 pm
johnny_scootch wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:35 pm Connections are sources of pride for mafiosi they’re badges of honor, cultivated and even passed down through generations in some cases. In modern times now that these guys are far removed from the Sicilian towns their fathers and grandfathers came from many of these cross family relationships are formed in prison. It’s not a stretch at all to think a member or a trusted associate of the Colombo family has a connection/the ability to reach out to a member or associate of the Todaro family to pass messages or set up meetings.
Pretty sure Bifulco was locked up with Anthony Donato
Did they segregate aids inmates back then ? I was nervous to even shake Bifulco hand
Ouch. He couldn't resist the prostitutes that's for sure. He had a disease cocktail I heard.

Re: Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

by Stroccos » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:49 am

Ivan wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:30 am
Angelo Santino wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 4:01 am
Ivan wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:11 am
Angelo Santino wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:49 am If these two groups have any connections whatsoever (even down to a Colombo using a laundrymat that Buffalo owns), there would be formal introductions made, that's the mafia at play as a network. It's not exciting or sexy. It's as simple and easy as a Buffalo member attending a Gambino party and encountering one of the few remaining New Orleans' members (or a Chicago member or a Philly member, take your pick). They'll be formally introduced as brothers and what, if anything, they decide to do is their own business.
A very knowledgeable and reliable source has told me that Russell Papalardo in Cleveland still enjoys this sort of treatment as a "brother" in this way by other mafia figures and Cleveland is still regarded as "represented" amid mafia matters by him even though the family is defunct and he's the only made guy still living.
It's truly the essence of what makes the mafia the mafia. If criminality were the sole factor "the Italians" would have died out long ago.
One of the more mind-blowing epiphanies I've had about the mafia is that the reflexive and cynical they're-just-after-money take on the mafia, while having a grain of truth to it, is for the most part pseudo-sophisticated bullshit, while the corny Joe Bonanno thing about it being an old tradition of brotherhood/honor/respect is more or less true.
But when you think of it as a network, what incentive is there to let it die? That could equate to keeping communication with Chicago, Detroit, Buffalo, Pittsburgh (if there is anything left) and New York. It doesn't have to be Papalardo plotting to "rebuild" (ie a Family structure complete with captains with Moltistanti-style grunt 'made men') which is what most outsiders would expect and in fact, would argue he's nonviable if he doesn't.
Cleveland is a really fascinating example of the network that encompasses associates, legit businessmen, labor, unmade criminals etc. surviving the family's "death." What was once a "structured crime family" has evolved into a network of shady but mostly legit guys centered on a certain staffing agency, with a lot of familiar surnames popping up if you examine who's a part of that network.

Anyway, I would be shocked if Papalardo and Todaro were not personally acquainted, given the above factors and the fact that their cities are "right down the road" from one another.
Allot of these guys where connected from back when the unions were still under control . Allot of Buffalo / cleveland connections over the years
I know loose has been to Buffalo for some meetings I even have a photo of loose in La nova pizzeria hat .

Re: Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

by Stroccos » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:41 am

Newyorkempire wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:53 pm
johnny_scootch wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:35 pm Connections are sources of pride for mafiosi they’re badges of honor, cultivated and even passed down through generations in some cases. In modern times now that these guys are far removed from the Sicilian towns their fathers and grandfathers came from many of these cross family relationships are formed in prison. It’s not a stretch at all to think a member or a trusted associate of the Colombo family has a connection/the ability to reach out to a member or associate of the Todaro family to pass messages or set up meetings.
Pretty sure Bifulco was locked up with Anthony Donato
Did they segregate aids inmates back then ? I was nervous to even shake Bifulco hand

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