by CabriniGreen » Thu Jun 20, 2024 10:26 pm
B. wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:33 pm
cobra wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:09 pm
- riina now blame for all murders but...
- stefano bontate killed after he try and fail to set riina in a trap and kill him
- giovanni bontate is happy with murder of his brother stefano
- salvatore montalto, underboss of inzerillo, is happy about inzerillo murder
- nino madonia telling riina he must kill pino greco for years before
- many other example, they tell "uncle toto" to kill and when everybody jailed, they say "u curtu" is a violent
100%.
Riina the Terrible makes for a popular narrative and the guy was responsible or a lot of death and terror but many of the murders attributed to him came from internal factionalism. This happens with every mafia war, where members within a Family take advantage of the instability to try and gain power. It happened in Villabate in the 1920s, where the D'Agati-Profaci clan was involved in the wider Palermo war going on at the time but it was actually a rival faction within the Villabate Family who killed Giulio D'Agati and Domenico Profaci. Same thing happened during the Castellammarese War with many Families.
I've said the same about Scarfo recently. The Testa murder for example came from other members close to Testa trying to convince Scarfo to kill Testa for a long time before Scarfo relented and approved it.
Whether you consider Riina and his cronies alone, or the Corleonesi as a collective whole they amounted to abject failure. What was their endgame? To secede and form their own State? That's nonsense bro... that's not Mafia. That's some Taliban type shit.... Direct challenge to the State? Thats like....Cartel style even...
I do agree that guy's like Bontade and Inzerillo made really boneheaded moves that all but granted their enemies permission to act against them. Even the Montreal stuff. Scoppa alluded to this in the book. That it more tit for tat murders and settling scores than coordinated mass conspiracies. Excluding Vito, the "Grappa Table" seems to have fucked MANY guys outta either their livihood, or years of their lives or BOTH. They couldn't wait for an excuse....
I agree with Dicke's assessment. That the Mafia in its most effective form essentially operate like vassals for the State. An instrument of local government.
Everything Ndrangheta built from the mid 90s onward probably should have been Cosa Nostras.
Bro.. I've said it before...to me... the 70s marked a period where Cosa Nostra's strategy started to become more....corporate. More business minded, more divorced from specific territory/geography. You can't become a GLOBAL criminal power corrupting the LOCAL budget of your municipalities, even if your city is huge.
Ndrangheta, to me seemed to take what the Caruanas did and applied it wholesale to MANY clans.
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[quote=cobra post_id=279539 time=1718921358 user_id=6925]
- riina now blame for all murders but...
- stefano bontate killed after he try and fail to set riina in a trap and kill him
- giovanni bontate is happy with murder of his brother stefano
- salvatore montalto, underboss of inzerillo, is happy about inzerillo murder
- nino madonia telling riina he must kill pino greco for years before
- many other example, they tell "uncle toto" to kill and when everybody jailed, they say "u curtu" is a violent
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100%.
Riina the Terrible makes for a popular narrative and the guy was responsible or a lot of death and terror but many of the murders attributed to him came from internal factionalism. This happens with every mafia war, where members within a Family take advantage of the instability to try and gain power. It happened in Villabate in the 1920s, where the D'Agati-Profaci clan was involved in the wider Palermo war going on at the time but it was actually a rival faction within the Villabate Family who killed Giulio D'Agati and Domenico Profaci. Same thing happened during the Castellammarese War with many Families.
I've said the same about Scarfo recently. The Testa murder for example came from other members close to Testa trying to convince Scarfo to kill Testa for a long time before Scarfo relented and approved it.
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Whether you consider Riina and his cronies alone, or the Corleonesi as a collective whole they amounted to abject failure. What was their endgame? To secede and form their own State? That's nonsense bro... that's not Mafia. That's some Taliban type shit.... Direct challenge to the State? Thats like....Cartel style even...
I do agree that guy's like Bontade and Inzerillo made really boneheaded moves that all but granted their enemies permission to act against them. Even the Montreal stuff. Scoppa alluded to this in the book. That it more tit for tat murders and settling scores than coordinated mass conspiracies. Excluding Vito, the "Grappa Table" seems to have fucked MANY guys outta either their livihood, or years of their lives or BOTH. They couldn't wait for an excuse....
I agree with Dicke's assessment. That the Mafia in its most effective form essentially operate like vassals for the State. An instrument of local government.
Everything Ndrangheta built from the mid 90s onward probably should have been Cosa Nostras.
Bro.. I've said it before...to me... the 70s marked a period where Cosa Nostra's strategy started to become more....corporate. More business minded, more divorced from specific territory/geography. You can't become a GLOBAL criminal power corrupting the LOCAL budget of your municipalities, even if your city is huge.
Ndrangheta, to me seemed to take what the Caruanas did and applied it wholesale to MANY clans.