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by stubbs » Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:02 pm
B. wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 3:04 pm If you've followed this stuff long enough you see these narratives form. People are attracted to the idea of these "tragic heroes" who would have been such "great" bosses but the big, mean, and evil bad guy killed them out of jealousy, greed, or whatever. Salvie Testa, the perfect and handsome young prince of the Philly mob heartlessly killed by the paranoid Little Nicky, aka Satan. Meanwhile it was Testa's peers who continually told Scarfo about problems with Testa and as Caramandi said, finally a meeting was held where Faffy Iannarella (Testa's close friend) convinced him Testa needed to be killed. Jealousy, greed, and paranoia are factors too but there is more to these stories.
by CornerBoy » Tue Jun 11, 2024 4:35 am
B. wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 2:20 pm Yep, Rotondo testified about it and so did Michael DiLeonardo. Both of those guys are well-measured and intelligent sources. DiLeonardo has also told some stories in conversation with us. Just as an example of Cutolo's Gotti syndrome, during the 90s guys were showing up to sitdowns dressed down in casual clothes but Cutolo would show up dressed like a pimp or old timey movie gangster wearing an all black suit and white tie. He was even called out for doing this at one sitdown and left so he could change his clothes. It's similar to Massino's complaints about Vitale during the same period, that he caught the Gotti bug and was going around peacocking. Remember too Massino was told by Bellomo that Gotti was even trying to back Vitale to unseat or kill Massino so Vitale could take over. Sciascia tried to tell Massino about it much earlier on. Very similar to the Cutolo situation where Gotti propped up Orena (and Cutolo by default), hence the war, but this continued to some degree afterward as Peter Gotti (acting for his brother) still refused to recognize Persico as boss long after the war. A meeting was eventually held where Allie Persico directly asked Peter Gotti to recognize his father as boss and Gotti balked but DiLeonardo ultimately convinced him it was the right thing to do. You can see these were the politics that were enabling Cutolo in addition to his own behavior. Speaking of Rotondo, he testified that something similar played out with John D'Amato. D'Amato had become very close to Gotti and was also parading around NYC. The popular story is "D'Amato da GAY mobster, da REAL LIFE Vito Spatafore" but Rotondo testified a big part of the murder conspiracy was D'Amato trying to usurp control of the Family and the gay rumor was basically a way to justify the murder, allowing the Jersey faction and D'Amato's rivals in the NY faction to do what they already wanted to do given D'Amato's conduct in Family politics.
by Little_Al1991 » Mon Jun 10, 2024 9:26 am
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by Tonyd621 » Mon Jun 10, 2024 6:56 am
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moneyman wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 1:22 pm Did Nadu just make a video with this info?
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by gohnjotti » Fri Jun 07, 2024 1:10 pm
by CornerBoy » Fri Jun 07, 2024 5:10 am
gohnjotti wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 2:04 pm B. wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 1:40 pm I've spoken to two people who personally knew Allie Persico and there's no question he was highly respected in the life and seen as his own man. People bring up nepotism but that's a core part of the mafia. Joe Profaci made his bro-in-law underboss and put other relatives/paesans in important roles -- at its root it's a clan-based organization. The Persicos just did this in their own Americanized way. The Cutolo/Persico situation is one of those popular narratives, i.e. "Cutolo GOOD, Persico BAD". I approach these things objectively and try not to have a personal opinion on what goes in in that world but like Gohn said, the Persicos had reason to feel threatened by Cutolo. Along with being one of Orena's main supporters and leading hit teams during the war, he was stepping on toes in the mid-late 90s and developed "Gotti syndrome" in that he was parading around in gangster costumes and letting the world know he was a big deal. It was well-understood on the street and among other Families that Cutolo was angling to take over the Family. Good point B., I complete forgot that Anthony Rotondo had testified about this "Gotti syndrome" (I don't think he used those exact words), but essentially that Cutolo had become very flashy and 'out-there' after becoming underboss, and that he had an air of authority as if he made decisions on behalf of the family.
B. wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 1:40 pm I've spoken to two people who personally knew Allie Persico and there's no question he was highly respected in the life and seen as his own man. People bring up nepotism but that's a core part of the mafia. Joe Profaci made his bro-in-law underboss and put other relatives/paesans in important roles -- at its root it's a clan-based organization. The Persicos just did this in their own Americanized way. The Cutolo/Persico situation is one of those popular narratives, i.e. "Cutolo GOOD, Persico BAD". I approach these things objectively and try not to have a personal opinion on what goes in in that world but like Gohn said, the Persicos had reason to feel threatened by Cutolo. Along with being one of Orena's main supporters and leading hit teams during the war, he was stepping on toes in the mid-late 90s and developed "Gotti syndrome" in that he was parading around in gangster costumes and letting the world know he was a big deal. It was well-understood on the street and among other Families that Cutolo was angling to take over the Family.
by B. » Thu Jun 06, 2024 3:04 pm
by gohnjotti » Thu Jun 06, 2024 2:35 pm
B. wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 1:40 pm The Cutolo/Persico situation is one of those popular narratives, i.e. "Cutolo GOOD, Persico BAD". I approach these things objectively and try not to have a personal opinion on what goes on in that world
by B. » Thu Jun 06, 2024 2:20 pm
by gohnjotti » Thu Jun 06, 2024 2:04 pm
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