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Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Coloboy » Fri Sep 27, 2024 7:39 am

It certainly makes sense that a guy with that last name, from the neighborhood we are talking about, who is involved in video poker, was connected. It’s more plausible than him being independent. I’m just surprised this was never discussed before, because it directly backs up the idea that those two crews were going head to head on the video poker thing. If Dublino was backed by Melrose Park, it makes sense that he would feel OK telling Sarno to fuck off in 2002.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by falco » Fri Sep 27, 2024 7:32 am

NorthBuffalo wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 6:10 am
Coloboy wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 11:33 am I guess I just had no idea that Dublino was in any way tied to the outfit. I thought he was some punk, independent video poker guy. The argument That I was referencing took place supposedly in 2002 outside a bar. At that time, Jimmy Marcello was running the outfit, and I have to wonder if the confidence in which Dublino basically told Sarno to go fuck himself, came from knowing that he was backed by Jimmy Marcello /melrose park
I don't think Chicago is the type of city where anyone just independently moves into video gambling machines - and being Italian from Berwyn, I think its too far-fetched to assume Dublino wasn't connected somewhere. I've got excellent Chicago sources who told me Dublino's brother (Pasquale Dublino) is a very violent individual who is well-known.
sarno and dublino were partners in an atm business prior the incident. his other brother carmine worked for tony chiaramonte in the 80s.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by falco » Fri Sep 27, 2024 7:14 am

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by NorthBuffalo » Fri Sep 27, 2024 6:10 am

Coloboy wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 11:33 am I guess I just had no idea that Dublino was in any way tied to the outfit. I thought he was some punk, independent video poker guy. The argument That I was referencing took place supposedly in 2002 outside a bar. At that time, Jimmy Marcello was running the outfit, and I have to wonder if the confidence in which Dublino basically told Sarno to go fuck himself, came from knowing that he was backed by Jimmy Marcello /melrose park
I don't think Chicago is the type of city where anyone just independently moves into video gambling machines - and being Italian from Berwyn, I think its too far-fetched to assume Dublino wasn't connected somewhere. I've got excellent Chicago sources who told me Dublino's brother (Pasquale Dublino) is a very violent individual who is well-known.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Coloboy » Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:27 pm

https://ganglandwire.com/the-trial-of-m ... guy-sarno/

Interesting first hand recap of the Sarno trial. Not a ton of new info but some good nuggets in there and stuff you wouldn’t have read in the papers.


Nothing tying Dublino to Melrose Park but it’s a good listen.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Coloboy » Thu Sep 26, 2024 11:33 am

I guess I just had no idea that Dublino was in any way tied to the outfit. I thought he was some punk, independent video poker guy. The argument That I was referencing took place supposedly in 2002 outside a bar. At that time, Jimmy Marcello was running the outfit, and I have to wonder if the confidence in which Dublino basically told Sarno to go fuck himself, came from knowing that he was backed by Jimmy Marcello /melrose park

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Snakes » Thu Sep 26, 2024 11:08 am

Coloboy wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:56 am It’s interesting….. Dublino was quoted as telling Sarno…”I don’t work for you fatass.” And Sarno was paraphrased as telling Dublino to stop doing any video poker business south of 47th st (or close to that)

That certainly sounds like a conversation/argument between members of two different outfit crews, not Mike Sarno and just some random video poker guy arguing.
I would wager that the Zizzo thing is/was a separate investigation. They had enough without it to put Sarno away for 25 years, but I'm almost certain there is still separate and ongoing digging into Sarno's potential involvement in his disappearance. Makes me wonder if that ever sees the light of day if they'd call Dublino back as a witness.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Coloboy » Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:56 am

It’s interesting….. Dublino was quoted as telling Sarno…”I don’t work for you fatass.” And Sarno was paraphrased as telling Dublino to stop doing any video poker business south of 47th st (or close to that)

That certainly sounds like a conversation/argument between members of two different outfit crews, not Mike Sarno and just some random video poker guy arguing.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Snakes » Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:44 am

NorthBuffalo wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2024 7:12 am
Coloboy wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 9:47 pm
NorthBuffalo wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:02 pm
Coloboy wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:14 am In Scott's last article about Zizzo, he claims that Sarno was at one point a driver/bodyguard for Andriacchi. This is the first I've heard of this; however, I did see the photo of the two of them that was floating around a month or so ago when Andriacchi passed.

Anyone have more info on that relationship?
I've been told that Vince Dublino (who testified against Sarno) was the driver for Zizzo right up until he was killed. Does anyone know if that is accurate?
I’ve never heard that, but it would be very interesting if Dublino was tied to the Melrose Park crew. Would lend creedence to the fact that zizzos disappearance was directly related to the feud with Sarno.
I'm fairly certain that comes from Jim Cosenza if anyone follows his YouTube - he's gone to all of these trials.
The prosecution was not allowed to bring up the Outfit in that trial, so I doubt they'd mention another crew. Hay alluded to Sarno as the boss on the stand and it was immediately objected to and sustained. I doubt if Dublino testified to anything Outfit-related or was mentioned in any remaining context outside of his business being bombed.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by NorthBuffalo » Thu Sep 26, 2024 7:12 am

Coloboy wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 9:47 pm
NorthBuffalo wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:02 pm
Coloboy wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:14 am In Scott's last article about Zizzo, he claims that Sarno was at one point a driver/bodyguard for Andriacchi. This is the first I've heard of this; however, I did see the photo of the two of them that was floating around a month or so ago when Andriacchi passed.

Anyone have more info on that relationship?
I've been told that Vince Dublino (who testified against Sarno) was the driver for Zizzo right up until he was killed. Does anyone know if that is accurate?
I’ve never heard that, but it would be very interesting if Dublino was tied to the Melrose Park crew. Would lend creedence to the fact that zizzos disappearance was directly related to the feud with Sarno.
I'm fairly certain that comes from Jim Cosenza if anyone follows his YouTube - he's gone to all of these trials.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Coloboy » Wed Sep 25, 2024 9:47 pm

NorthBuffalo wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:02 pm
Coloboy wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:14 am In Scott's last article about Zizzo, he claims that Sarno was at one point a driver/bodyguard for Andriacchi. This is the first I've heard of this; however, I did see the photo of the two of them that was floating around a month or so ago when Andriacchi passed.

Anyone have more info on that relationship?
I've been told that Vince Dublino (who testified against Sarno) was the driver for Zizzo right up until he was killed. Does anyone know if that is accurate?
I’ve never heard that, but it would be very interesting if Dublino was tied to the Melrose Park crew. Would lend creedence to the fact that zizzos disappearance was directly related to the feud with Sarno.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by NorthBuffalo » Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:02 pm

Coloboy wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:14 am In Scott's last article about Zizzo, he claims that Sarno was at one point a driver/bodyguard for Andriacchi. This is the first I've heard of this; however, I did see the photo of the two of them that was floating around a month or so ago when Andriacchi passed.

Anyone have more info on that relationship?
I've been told that Vince Dublino (who testified against Sarno) was the driver for Zizzo right up until he was killed. Does anyone know if that is accurate?

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Ivan » Wed Sep 25, 2024 4:52 pm

Another pillar of the community in Chicago, Fred Goetz (one of the American Boys and probable Valentine's Day Massacre shooter), raped a 7 year old girl when he was in his 20s.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by B. » Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:11 pm

A lot of rape charges among mafiosi going way back. Cavita posted a breakdown a month or so ago of a future Rockford member who participated in an abduction/beating/rape of a woman when he was young. Joe Profaci had a rape charge in Sicily before he came here. Christie Furnari participated in an abduction/gang rape and later became consigliere. The list isn't short.

Sometimes these charges were statuatory or situations where a guy slept with a woman consensually out of wedlock and the family claimed rape to protect her honor, but many times they were horrific rapes in the true sense of the word. The mafia though will always side with their own insiders over a woman whose reputation can easily be distorted to justify the assault or they will hear the perpetrator's side of the story and go with that, etc.

While outsiders are more than justified in attacking Rovito's character, I don't see it as any kind of barrier within the insular world of Chicago's mafia nor something that would impact his friendship with Buffalo boss Joe Todaro, assuming he even knows about it. If Rovito had assaulted a female relative of someone involved w/ the mafia it likely would be seen much differently, though.

Mike Ciancaglini Jr. isn't a confirmed associate of the Philly Family but has been seen in surveillance of the clubhouse in recent years -- some on here may remember years ago he and a young Piccolo descendant were arrested when they were eighteen for getting 13-year-old girls drunk at the shore and taping themselves having sex with them. These were very young girls, not like they were even messing with 16-year-olds, but the made guys still welcome him around today.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Coloboy » Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:14 am

In Scott's last article about Zizzo, he claims that Sarno was at one point a driver/bodyguard for Andriacchi. This is the first I've heard of this; however, I did see the photo of the two of them that was floating around a month or so ago when Andriacchi passed.

Anyone have more info on that relationship?

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