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Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by PolackTony » Tue Sep 24, 2024 11:04 am

It wasn’t a statutory thing at all, as when the attack occurred in ‘91, Gigi was himself a juvenile. But it was indeed a very nasty thing, apart from him having also been a minor. Ironically, this would put him in the same ballpark as a bunch of mafiosi back in the day, as many of them engaged in similarly violent abductions and gang assaults in their youth. It’s just that by 1991, thankfully, this sort of thing was a lot more frowned upon socially than it used to be. Unfortunately, I can say that when I was a kid during the same time, these kinds of group assaults on girls were not uncommon. I knew of many kids, gangbangers in almost every case, who did this sort of thing with impunity. Hardly any were ever charged with a crime as the girl and her family either didn’t want to be seen as rats, the cops didn’t care or believe them, or they were threatened to keep quiet. This was in Humboldt Park, so there was also just a ton of violent crime of every category happening. But things like this happened with punk kids like this in the suburbs too.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Ivan » Tue Sep 24, 2024 10:54 am

Patrickgold wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:29 am He was very young when it happened but I did hear some graphic details of the incident and it’s not to pretty. It was more than consensual sex with a juvenile.
Here are some of the nasty details, if anyone's curious. I was under the impression it was some statutory rape thing too but it's way worse.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/1997/09/ ... teen-rape/

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Patrickgold » Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:57 am

NorthBuffalo wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:55 am
Patrickgold wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:29 am
Cosmik_Debris wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 7:09 am What's the point of Gigi and Todaro being so public with their budding friendship?

Why post these pictures all over social media?
Because they are both public figures and “legit” restaurant owners. They have also been seen with Steve Martorano who is also very public. I’m sure there is some type of partnership or business relationship going on. I wonder if Todaro knows about Gigi’s rape conviction. Nobody seems to care about it besides the people in Burr Ridge trying to close his place down. He was very young when it happened but I did hear some graphic details of the incident and it’s not to pretty. I was more than consensual sex with a juvenile.
Remember, Gigi's brother testified against Mickey Davis essentially - Gigi was kind of the point guy in that case and I wonder if he's really around these guys since that episode. How much longer before he's on the Joey Merlino podcast ?? :lol:
Gigi and his brother have no relationship anymore. They despise each other. I thought about Gigi going on Merlino’s show but don’t think it will happen. It’s hard to have a guy come on the show that has been convicted of rape when he tears apart all the snitches for the stuff they been convicted of. I would say Bobby Bellavia would be a good guest considered how he got rail roaded during his trial.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by NorthBuffalo » Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:55 am

Patrickgold wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:29 am
Cosmik_Debris wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 7:09 am What's the point of Gigi and Todaro being so public with their budding friendship?

Why post these pictures all over social media?
Because they are both public figures and “legit” restaurant owners. They have also been seen with Steve Martorano who is also very public. I’m sure there is some type of partnership or business relationship going on. I wonder if Todaro knows about Gigi’s rape conviction. Nobody seems to care about it besides the people in Burr Ridge trying to close his place down. He was very young when it happened but I did hear some graphic details of the incident and it’s not to pretty. I was more than consensual sex with a juvenile.
Remember, Gigi's brother testified against Mickey Davis essentially - Gigi was kind of the point guy in that case and I wonder if he's really around these guys since that episode. How much longer before he's on the Joey Merlino podcast ?? :lol:

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Patrickgold » Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:29 am

Cosmik_Debris wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 7:09 am What's the point of Gigi and Todaro being so public with their budding friendship?

Why post these pictures all over social media?
Because they are both public figures and “legit” restaurant owners. They have also been seen with Steve Martorano who is also very public. I’m sure there is some type of partnership or business relationship going on. I wonder if Todaro knows about Gigi’s rape conviction. Nobody seems to care about it besides the people in Burr Ridge trying to close his place down. He was very young when it happened but I did hear some graphic details of the incident and it’s not to pretty. It was more than consensual sex with a juvenile.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Cosmik_Debris » Tue Sep 24, 2024 7:09 am

What's the point of Gigi and Todaro being so public with their budding friendship?

Why post these pictures all over social media?

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by PolackTony » Tue Sep 24, 2024 6:55 am

Patrickgold wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 4:57 pm Looks like Gigi and Big Joe Todaro are very close. A very interesting relationship to say the least.
Thanks for posting. Very interesting indeed.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Ivan » Mon Sep 23, 2024 6:09 pm

Patrickgold wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 4:57 pm Looks like Gigi and Big Joe Todaro are very close. A very interesting relationship to say the least.
I've been around Todaro at his place, their "showman-restaurateur" characters are similar and Gigi's schtick does feel copied in part from Todaro's. I remember the first time I saw a Gigi video I immediately thought he was like a more manic version of Todaro.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Ivan » Mon Sep 23, 2024 6:05 pm

PolackTony wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 4:00 pm
NickyEyes1 wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 2:22 pm For the Chicago guys who like to see the viagra triangle in action.. Tavern on Rush is coming back at end of month lol
Oh wow lol
I just looked up "Viagra Triangle" (wasn't familiar) and the images alongside the articles are making me feel much better about my own aging.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Patrickgold » Mon Sep 23, 2024 4:57 pm

Looks like Gigi and Big Joe Todaro are very close. A very interesting relationship to say the least.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by PolackTony » Mon Sep 23, 2024 4:00 pm

NickyEyes1 wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 2:22 pm For the Chicago guys who like to see the viagra triangle in action.. Tavern on Rush is coming back at end of month lol
Oh wow lol

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by NickyEyes1 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 2:22 pm

For the Chicago guys who like to see the viagra triangle in action.. Tavern on Rush is coming back at end of month lol

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by PolackTony » Mon Sep 23, 2024 1:25 pm

The way that the consigliere came to be seen as, basically, a “number 3” in the NYC Families is itself a shift from how this position functioned traditionally in the mafia. This is a symptom, IMO, of increasingly dictatorial powers of bosses in the NY Families. As B noted above, we see that same tendency taken to an extreme with Maggadino. Consiglieri (and in Sicilian Families it was possible for there to be anywhere form 1 to 3 official consiglieri at a time) are supposed to function not just as “advisors” to the boss but as a means of checks and balances against the boss becoming a dictator, helping to ensure that the latter doesn’t run roughshod over the rights and interests of the membership as a collectivity. A powerful and highly respected former boss (and former acting boss) like Accardo was very much in the position of being able to use the respect and influence that he was accorded to support the interests of the Family. Though I would also say that we have little evidence to support that he was in the practice of overruling or interfering with the authority of the boss, who ultimately was, in fact, the executive, apart from exceptional circumstances such as demoting Giancana for dereliction of duty (and we can presume this was a collective decision of the Consiglio rather than just Ricca or Accardo pronouncing a decision to everyone else).

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by B. » Mon Sep 23, 2024 12:52 pm

Coloboy -- actually Sicilian pentiti specifically said a function of the consigliere was to provide checks and balances to the boss and veto him if needed. The idea as it was explained was that the boss should be the representative of the Family but not hold absolute authority.

There are definitely US examples as well. Magaddino was recorded saying he didn't want a consigliere as it meant someone aside from the boss spoke on behalf of the Family and could essentially challenge the boss's authority. With the consiglio system like Chicago used, we also have a recording of San Jose consiglio chairman Stefano Zoccoli saying he had the authority to go to the Commission and have the boss Cerrito taken down. Interestingly Zoccoli and Morici of the San Jose consiglio also served as dual acting bosses in Cerrito's absence which brings to mind Accardo and Ricca in the later 1960s.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Snakes » Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:20 am

Coloboy wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 8:34 am I tend to agree with that assessment, Snakes. The role was considered roughly equal with that of boss, and taken seriously. I also believe that this is the role John Difronzo had for a long time, and is the reason we have FBI info concerning Mike Sarno "sharing profits" with him.

@PolackTony- I agree that Accardo being consigliere during that later period isn't controversial, I was more driving at what your opinion was in terms of what that role actually meant in a practical sense. I believe it functioned differently than the consigliere role we know from east coast families. My opinion is that he had the ability to over-rule the boss in certain situations, and that there were certain things (Making someone), that likely had to be stamped by him to go through. There are quite a few 3rd parties, (Ken Eto for one), who explicitly called him the ultimate shot caller at the top of the pyramid, even well into the 1980s. I don't mean to re-hash well trodden territory, so I'll drop it from here! :)
I think you've already seen it, but I touch on the DiFronzo situation here:
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