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In the recent episode of "Felons Talk," he discusses prison interactions with Carmine Persico and Sonny Franzese from the Colombos, Carmine Tortora from Boston, Chicago's Tony Zizzo, and Ernie Abbamonte, and namedrops a few other made guys.

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i dont understand anyy of this lol
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And that made me realize this convo is probably better suited for the Prison Gangs sub-forum, lol

Regardless - we're basically talking about guys just like we'd be normally talking about LCN guys, only these guys we're talking about are essentially violent, potentially racist (I don't think that's as big of a thing as the name of the organization implies though) heroin and meth users/dealers who are all locked up in Cali state prisons specifically, and a few in the Feds. There have been people who served a lot of time, or are still even locked up, on Youtube doing interviews and shows - who were close associates of the gang and also even some actual former alleged members . The top guy in Cali has an instagram that his wife maintains and he uses it to talk about the injustices and corruption within the prison system lol

i dont understand anyy of this lol

outfit guy :

Apparently Pat Brady has pled guilty, his sentencing is in March. That leaves 4 members awaiting trial (including Yandell) . Trial is supposed to take place this month. there are a few articles but they are all paywalled

Yes, very interesting but I also sent another link contradicting his membership. That second hyperlink is a real deal AB named John Greschner.

ive heard the first hour and I just don't find it interesting
Stick w it?

Yes, a set of brothers (Zangari?) and another individual.

does this dude mention any la mob guys by name?

You are correct as it is a Complaint and an indictment. They still have the tapes. Yandell awarding someone the "rock" after a murder.

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The indictment is approximately 200 pages and a good read but keep in mind, a lot of it is the government and not all true.

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This is what I was saying about - the criminal complaint is the 200 page document, but I have never seen an actual indictment. I am not sure what Yandell, et. al. are actually being charged with.

I think I could be wrong, but a criminal complaint is accusatory and based on CI, LEO, and witness information. The indictment formally shows what they are getting charged with, after whatever is in the complaint (and more) is investigated and validated. Does that sound right or am I completely off base there?

I read over that 200 page doc a long time ago and IIRC it was stuff like "on January 14th YANDELL called CI and directed a heroin sale", "on February 12th so-and-so murdered so-and-so at New Folsom to further his standing in the Ayran Brotherhood" - I don't think the indictment showing what these guys are actually being charged with was ever released to the public. Plus there was stuff in the criminal complaint that was already reconciled, like a 2011 murder by Billy Sylvester. Where as the murder of Yogi Pinell was referenced but doesn't sound like it was reconciled yet, even though they know exactly who did it, and all they have is Yandell on the phone literally telling someone else that it happened (not ordering it, not taking credit, etc.)

It all seems very shaky ? that's what I want to see the indictment because whatever these guys are actually getting charged with is going to be way less than what was in the criminal complaint

I don't know what happened to the guy Powder online, if he was proven to be a liar or if he was exposed or something, but it did seem like he had a good amount of info on these guys, and was bouncing around the same prisons as the Yandell group before they got indicted. He saw what happened when the big players came back from Pelican Bay and what was going on right before. That'd be something if Travis Burhop started giving interviews - I am assuming he's still sentenced to life, he just got moved out of Cali and into the Feds into a rat prison or something

Yandell has an Instagram and was posting updates. I don't have confirmed facts. What I can put together based on the dirty FEDs tactics:

Have the judge declare is a "complex" trial to circumvent a speedy trial. This was a common tactic in N.Y. Vincent Cafaro was placed in solitary and broke. The prosecutor leverages the time in between to get others to flip or strengthen the case.

They had tapes of Yandell but wanted more. More in that they will just move him out to the FEDs and he was only communicating with 1 or 2 persons. So, all this hoopla and they end up with 2-3 convictions.

They wore out the defense and most have pled. It will be a victory but the Brand is so feared in California, they'll replace the soldiers. (The high caliber prospect has slipped - dozens willing to kill in the eighties and nineties - but there are still killers on the yards looking to take a step up.

The indictment is approximately 200 pages and a good read but keep in mind, a lot of it is the government and not all true.

The government is winning - per se - but the Big Tips - Nuestra Famiglia, Brand, Eme, Bloods/Crips/BGF, are going anywhere. The CDC tried to incorporate S&Y yards into 50/50 yards and the dropouts and informants were stabbed up.

outfit guy, do you know what the latest with the Yandell indictment is? We're almost coming up on 5 years now. I know one associate plead guilty and 2 AB members apparently flipped and pled guilty. The FAIM girl allegedly flipped, plead guilty, got time served, and is out free and clear. Anything new on Yandell, Troxell, etc?

This has been one of the strangest indictments and cases I've ever seen. The length of time, the fact that we can't publicly view the indictment but only the criminal complaint, the allegations against law enforcement,
Etc.

Wondering if you read or heard anything recent?

Caspar's NOT AB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9rlqrZRKSk

A lot is paywall restricted. The moniker is Family Affiliated Irish Mafia

Amazed to hear that there's an 'Irish Mafia' in Northern California. What's the story? They strictly meth dealers? Any ties to the old country? (I know, I'm thinking of that whole Sons Of Anarchy sub-plot)