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Re: Vincenzo Troia thread

by cavita » Tue Jan 16, 2024 7:10 am

cavita wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:50 pm
JoelTurner wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:28 pm On Nov 10 1930, in Freeport, IL; Vincenzo Troia was indicted as a part of a large liquor ring.

He paid a $10 000 bail under the name Loranze Salvata and gave an address of 1400 Clifton St.

Some other notable names on that indictment were:

- Philip Vella - 218 15th St

- Tony Domino - 1122 S Main St

- Theodore Ingrassia - 1130 Main St

- Tony LaPuma - 1501 Clifton St

- Paul Giovingo - 1033 Montague Rd

- Tony Giovingo - 1033 Montague Rd

- Paul Scamardo - 709 Morgan St

- Tony Musso - 1120 Ferguson St

- Leo Rocconi - 411 Lincoln St [IDK who’s Rocconi; this was Troia’s store address]

- Jack DeMarco - Romona and Montague rd 

- Theodore LaFranka - No address

(https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/984923627/)

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A Feb 4 1931 article discussing Tony Domino’s sentencing mentions that Troia, under the name Big Vince Salvatore, had previously been sentenced to 30 days in Stephenson county jail for contempt of court. He had called a witness a liar.

(https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/320456047/)

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On Jun 1 1934, Troia was mentioned as a prisoner, under the name Lorenzo Salvatore, in jail in Ottawa, IL. This was for liquor & tax reasons.

I’m not sure if this stemmed from the same arrest as the May 3 1934 one with Frank Longo and Phil Picciuro that’s mentioned in the original post.

(https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/81841099/)
Leo Rocconi was an alias used by Gaspare "Jasper" Calo
I can't view your link because it's a pay site and I can't find the November 10, 1930 article through Genealogybank.com

Re: Vincenzo Troia thread

by cavita » Mon Jan 15, 2024 7:50 pm

JoelTurner wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:28 pm On Nov 10 1930, in Freeport, IL; Vincenzo Troia was indicted as a part of a large liquor ring.

He paid a $10 000 bail under the name Loranze Salvata and gave an address of 1400 Clifton St.

Some other notable names on that indictment were:

- Philip Vella - 218 15th St

- Tony Domino - 1122 S Main St

- Theodore Ingrassia - 1130 Main St

- Tony LaPuma - 1501 Clifton St

- Paul Giovingo - 1033 Montague Rd

- Tony Giovingo - 1033 Montague Rd

- Paul Scamardo - 709 Morgan St

- Tony Musso - 1120 Ferguson St

- Leo Rocconi - 411 Lincoln St [IDK who’s Rocconi; this was Troia’s store address]

- Jack DeMarco - Romona and Montague rd 

- Theodore LaFranka - No address

(https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/984923627/)

—————————————————————

A Feb 4 1931 article discussing Tony Domino’s sentencing mentions that Troia, under the name Big Vince Salvatore, had previously been sentenced to 30 days in Stephenson county jail for contempt of court. He had called a witness a liar.

(https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/320456047/)

—————————————————————

On Jun 1 1934, Troia was mentioned as a prisoner, under the name Lorenzo Salvatore, in jail in Ottawa, IL. This was for liquor & tax reasons.

I’m not sure if this stemmed from the same arrest as the May 3 1934 one with Frank Longo and Phil Picciuro that’s mentioned in the original post.

(https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/81841099/)
Leo Rocconi was an alias used by Gaspare "Jasper" Calo

Re: Vincenzo Troia thread

by JoelTurner » Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:28 pm

On Nov 10 1930, in Freeport, IL; Vincenzo Troia was indicted as a part of a large liquor ring.

He paid a $10 000 bail under the name Loranze Salvata and gave an address of 1400 Clifton St.

Some other notable names on that indictment were:

- Philip Vella - 218 15th St

- Tony Domino - 1122 S Main St

- Theodore Ingrassia - 1130 Main St

- Tony LaPuma - 1501 Clifton St

- Paul Giovingo - 1033 Montague Rd

- Tony Giovingo - 1033 Montague Rd

- Paul Scamardo - 709 Morgan St

- Tony Musso - 1120 Ferguson St

- Leo Rocconi - 411 Lincoln St [IDK who’s Rocconi; this was Troia’s store address]

- Jack DeMarco - Romona and Montague rd 

- Theodore LaFranka - No address

(https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/984923627/)

—————————————————————

A Feb 4 1931 article discussing Tony Domino’s sentencing mentions that Troia, under the name Big Vince Salvatore, had previously been sentenced to 30 days in Stephenson county jail for contempt of court. He had called a witness a liar.

(https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/320456047/)

—————————————————————

On Jun 1 1934, Troia was mentioned as a prisoner, under the name Lorenzo Salvatore, in jail in Ottawa, IL. This was for liquor & tax reasons.

I’m not sure if this stemmed from the same arrest as the May 3 1934 one with Frank Longo and Phil Picciuro that’s mentioned in the original post.

(https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/81841099/)

Re: Vincenzo Troia thread

by cavita » Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:17 pm

Antiliar wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:02 pm
cavita wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:31 am
JoelTurner wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:06 am
cavita wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:10 am Does anyone have any information on Troia's movements after he entered the country from the period 1925-1927? I'm assuming he spent some time in New York and then Madison, Wisconsin. The earliest I can pin him to Rockford is March 1927
cavita wrote: Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:14 am Vincenzo “Big Vince” Troia:
1925 allegedly entered the U.S. illegally while disguised as a monk according to the May 31, 1934 Rockford Register Republic who quoted immigration authorities.
I'm pretty sure that Troia entered the country to attend the 28th International Eucharistic Congress which took place in Chicago from June 20 to 24, 1926.
That would make perfect sense as to why he was in monk's robes. I may have to check Chicago newspapers and see if I can find him there from 1925-1927
I checked for Troia in the Chicago papers and nothing came up. Unless he was arrested or indicted, there's no reason for his name to show up.
Yeah, I was hoping against hope he may show up but he could also have used an as yet unknown alias.

Re: Vincenzo Troia thread

by Antiliar » Fri Dec 29, 2023 1:02 pm

cavita wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:31 am
JoelTurner wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:06 am
cavita wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:10 am Does anyone have any information on Troia's movements after he entered the country from the period 1925-1927? I'm assuming he spent some time in New York and then Madison, Wisconsin. The earliest I can pin him to Rockford is March 1927
cavita wrote: Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:14 am Vincenzo “Big Vince” Troia:
1925 allegedly entered the U.S. illegally while disguised as a monk according to the May 31, 1934 Rockford Register Republic who quoted immigration authorities.
I'm pretty sure that Troia entered the country to attend the 28th International Eucharistic Congress which took place in Chicago from June 20 to 24, 1926.
That would make perfect sense as to why he was in monk's robes. I may have to check Chicago newspapers and see if I can find him there from 1925-1927
I checked for Troia in the Chicago papers and nothing came up. Unless he was arrested or indicted, there's no reason for his name to show up.

Re: Vincenzo Troia thread

by cavita » Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:31 am

JoelTurner wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:06 am
cavita wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:10 am Does anyone have any information on Troia's movements after he entered the country from the period 1925-1927? I'm assuming he spent some time in New York and then Madison, Wisconsin. The earliest I can pin him to Rockford is March 1927
cavita wrote: Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:14 am Vincenzo “Big Vince” Troia:
1925 allegedly entered the U.S. illegally while disguised as a monk according to the May 31, 1934 Rockford Register Republic who quoted immigration authorities.
I'm pretty sure that Troia entered the country to attend the 28th International Eucharistic Congress which took place in Chicago from June 20 to 24, 1926.
That would make perfect sense as to why he was in monk's robes. I may have to check Chicago newspapers and see if I can find him there from 1925-1927

Re: Vincenzo Troia thread

by JoelTurner » Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:06 am

cavita wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:10 am Does anyone have any information on Troia's movements after he entered the country from the period 1925-1927? I'm assuming he spent some time in New York and then Madison, Wisconsin. The earliest I can pin him to Rockford is March 1927
cavita wrote: Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:14 am Vincenzo “Big Vince” Troia:
1925 allegedly entered the U.S. illegally while disguised as a monk according to the May 31, 1934 Rockford Register Republic who quoted immigration authorities.
I'm pretty sure that Troia entered the country to attend the 28th International Eucharistic Congress which took place in Chicago from June 20 to 24, 1926.

Re: Vincenzo Troia thread

by PolackTony » Tue Dec 26, 2023 2:27 pm

cavita wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:10 am Does anyone have any information on Troia's movements after he entered the country from the period 1925-1927? I'm assuming he spent some time in New York and then Madison, Wisconsin. The earliest I can pin him to Rockford is March 1927 when he donated to a fund for the family of Rockford Police officer Cichella who died. At that time he was using the alias Lorenzo Salvato. I can't find evidence he spent time in Madison but I know he had to because of Joe Gelosi of that city naming Troia and Charles Guidera as the killers of his three year old son. It's almost certain Troia spent some time in Madison due to the heavy population of people from San Giuseppe Iato. The aliases Troia used were Lorenzo Salvato/Salvata, Louis Ruffino, Salvatore Ruffino, Elia Costanza and Joe Caioli/Caiola
I don’t have any confirmatory evidence myself either for those years, but I strongly suspect that he was in Madison also. Along with the Gelosi thing, there was also the Madison Vincenzo Troia, who was probably a cousin, who married Ninfa Manderino of SGJ in Madison in 1925. That other Troia also spent some time in St Paul in the 1920s, and thus it might be worth looking into there was any evidence that Troia or one of his aliases was ever documented in MN in this period as well.

Re: Vincenzo Troia thread

by cavita » Tue Dec 26, 2023 10:10 am

Does anyone have any information on Troia's movements after he entered the country from the period 1925-1927? I'm assuming he spent some time in New York and then Madison, Wisconsin. The earliest I can pin him to Rockford is March 1927 when he donated to a fund for the family of Rockford Police officer Cichella who died. At that time he was using the alias Lorenzo Salvato. I can't find evidence he spent time in Madison but I know he had to because of Joe Gelosi of that city naming Troia and Charles Guidera as the killers of his three year old son. It's almost certain Troia spent some time in Madison due to the heavy population of people from San Giuseppe Iato. The aliases Troia used were Lorenzo Salvato/Salvata, Louis Ruffino, Salvatore Ruffino, Elia Costanza and Joe Caioli/Caiola

Re: Vincenzo Troia thread

by cavita » Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:38 pm

I should also add that Vincenzo Troia was arrested on September 23, 1929 on charges of murdering three-year old Frank Gelosi and seriously injuring the boy's father Joe Gelosi, a local bootlegger, in Madison, Wisconsin. Also charged along with Troia was Madison resident Frank Guidera. Troia, who the newspapers said was using the alias Lorenzo Salvatore, gave his address as 1501 Clifton Avenue, Rockford, which was the home of Anna DeMarco. DeMarco was once married to Jack DeMarco, a big Rockford bootlegger who was murdered in January 1932. The newspapers also said that Troia was using the last names Ruffino and Salvato. Troia would eventually be released off all the charges in the murder investigation when witnesses stated he was in Rockford at the time of the murder.

Re: Vincenzo Troia thread

by B. » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:37 pm

cavita wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:47 pm I'm wondering if anyone here has researched LCN ties in Frankfort, New York as there seems to be some connected San Giuseppe guys there starting around 1910 and on. Salvatore Immordino, Frank Longo, the Caiola family and even the Cangelosi families all seemed to settle there for awhile before moving on. It makes me wonder what the draw was with that city at the time.
Might be worth digging into other Sicilian residents there at the time to see if any other familiar surnames crop up.

Utica is also of interest to me. Giuseppe Aiello of Chicago fame lived there for a time I believe and had relatives there. He was from Bagheria and there seemed to be a closely connected network of guys from that area east of Palermo around the US at the time that would later be centralized in Illinois and Wisconsin, as well as California. I wonder if the SGI guys were tapped into that at all if they were in Frankfort, near Utica. Along the lines of what I was just saying in the "number of families" topic, my hunch is there may have been a distinct but small mafia group in the Utica area that was later brought under the Buffalo fold as a decina by the 1930s, but even then they were a pretty autonomous group.

Re: Vincenzo Troia thread

by cavita » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:47 pm

I'm wondering if anyone here has researched LCN ties in Frankfort, New York as there seems to be some connected San Giuseppe guys there starting around 1910 and on. Salvatore Immordino, Frank Longo, the Caiola family and even the Cangelosi families all seemed to settle there for awhile before moving on. It makes me wonder what the draw was with that city at the time.

Re: Vincenzo Troia thread

by B. » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:45 pm

Another thought on Troia:

He is made out to be a hardline Maranzano loyalist by some, including Dave C, but in my own interpretation of the same sources (and some others I don't believe he saw, i.e. Magaddino transcripts), Troia seems to have been an ally of Maranzano but was not an unquestioning stooge at all. In fact, Troia drew Maranzano's ire during the peace negotiations by pushing for a peaceful resolution with Masseria rather than wiping him out like Maranzano wanted and was influential along with Gentile in delaying the vote for Masseria's death. Maranzano seems to have calmed down after the war, as Troia was said to have again been a confidant of Maranzano around the time of the post-war banquet, but Troia and co. definitely angered Maranzano initially.

As for their relationship, Troia and Maranzano were both bosses in Sicily during the same period and Maranzano was living in Palermo, so they would have crossed paths most likely on a regular basis. I don't think we can assume they were necessarily close friends, either -- mafia bosses, even rivals, tend to be amicable on the surface and rarely do we see them act out toward each other on the surface. Even the meeting between Maranzano and Morello/Masseria by Bonanno was sort of a coy exchange in subtle threats that led Masseria to call Morello and Maranzano "jokers". It does seem that Maranzano and Troia were close, but Troia seems to have held his own and was not simply doing Maranzano's bidding, hence his chairing the peace committee, challenging the death sentence on Masseria, and being a candidate for boss of bosses.

Troia's decision to move to Newark is interesting, too. There doesn't seem to have been a stronghold of SGI paesani there, as the ones we know about came over from Illinois around the same time or after Troia (likely because of him). He was in the NYC area frequently if not constantly by the time of the war due to his position on the committee and other political matters, so my guess is he preferred being near the USA's "Palermo". Maybe he chose Jersey instead of NYC proper because he could gain more leverage in the smaller NJ family, or some other reason.

Re: Vincenzo Troia thread

by B. » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:53 pm

Antiliar wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:25 pm As a point of speculation, if Troia was indeed a member of the Newark Family, it would make sense that he was killed by the five New York Families that wanted to destroy it. Maybe he wanted to hold Newark together but was overruled by the Commission, and fought back in a losing war.
It's tricky because in FBI files on MF Gentile makes some mistakes, but here is what stands out offhand about his info and the info from others like Bill Bonanno:

- He claims that D'Amico was the rappresentante of a "New York-New Jersey family", the wording of which is very interesting. This implies that the Newark family included a New York element, which matches the DeCavalcante family, who had a large NYC faction. However, Villabatesi and other members from Newark joined the Profaci family after Newark was disbanded, including a direct relative of D'Amico, and according to Angelo Bruno wiretaps and other pieces we have, Newark members were spread out into at least several of the NYC families, so we can't assume the "New York-New Jersey" description implies continuity with the DeCavalcantes, only that Newark may have been similar to the DeCavs in that they had members in NYC as well as NJ. Sure, it could mean the DeCavs were a faction of Newark, but it could be just as likely that any NJ group would have a presence in NYC by default given how close it is. Many NJ crews from NY families have had operations in NYC, for example (read Fresolone's book for some good examples of this).

- Gentile claims that Troia was a member of the Newark family and DID usurp D'Amico as boss, in turn making a lot of money by taking over Newark's lottery racket. However, he incorrectly says that Troia was responsible for the attempted murder of D'Amico that killed D'Amico's father and that this was the reason for Troia's own murder -- this event happened a significant amount of time after Troia's death, so he could not have been involved though I suppose it's possible that Troia set the wheels in motion for the murder and his loyalists carried it out, who knows. Gentile knew Troia very well, though, and I think he could be right that Troia did become boss of the Newark family for a period before his death. There was a significant period of time between Troia's death and the attempted murder of D'Amico, though, so if Troia was the boss at the time of his death, who was running the Newark family between 1935-1937? Did D'Amico resume control, or was the family disbanded around 1935 and D'Amico was supposed to be killed later for not accepting this or perhaps other reasons?

- Profaci is said to have been involved in disbanding the Newark family, which makes sense as his cousin Cammarata was a likely member, boss/former boss D'Amico and his relatives were Villabatesi Newark members, and a number of other prominent Newark members like the Lombardinos ended up with Profaci. However, this does not mean that Profaci supported D'Amico, as it is just as common, if not more common, for paesani to be at odds with each other even though the assumption is that they are natural allies.

- Side note, but Toto Lombardino, though not from Villabate, seems to have been an important Newark member by 1928, as he had lived in Newark for quite a while before that and his presence at the Cleveland meeting with his nephew as an "assistant" implies some importance (many people talk about how leaders would bring an assistant to Commission/assembly meetings and looking at the Cleveland meeting, we see Profaci/Magliocco, Traina/Mangano, Lolordo/Bacino, and probably other relationships we don't know, so Lombardino/Lombardino would fit this arrangement, implying the elder Lombardino was representing the Newark family with his nephew as his assistant).

Back to Troia -- if he did become boss of Newark, as Gentile says, he was already dead by 1937 and could not have been killed for the attempt on D'Amico in 1937, as Gentile incorrectly says. If Gentile was slightly mixed up but not completely, it could mean that Troia was killed by the Commission for simply usurping the Newark family, or it could mean he was killed by D'Amico's loyalists, which could also mean that the attempt on D'Amico was somehow in response to the murder of Troia. It's too hard to make sense of, but these are some possibilities.

From the limited amount of info we have on Troia, particularly during the Castellammarese war, he seems to have been seen as more of a peacemaker, hence his prominent position on the peace committee and his being proposed as the new boss of bosses during a time when diplomacy was favored over tyrannical leaders like Maranzano and Masseria. However, he did supposedly kill the mayor of SGI (an outsider to the mafia, who may or may not have been corrupt himself) and these guys are not exactly known for their moral consistency, instead being opportunists more than anything. It stands though that he does not seem to have made any attempt on D'Amico if he did usurp him and there are no other known murders/attempted murders of Newark members before Troia's death except the Monaco/Russo murders (which were years earlier and connected to Maranzano's murder), so it doesn't seem Troia violently took over in Newark if he did become boss and may have done it through his experience in mafia politics and extensive national/international connections. He may very well have been more popular than D'Amico, who was usurped, almost killed, and had his family disbanded before permanently fleeing the USA. Troia in contrast rose to prominence in just about every city he lived in, both in Sicily and the USA, and survived many tricky situations except the surprise massacre in 1935.

Re: Vincenzo Troia thread

by cavita » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:38 pm

B. wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:40 pm
cavita wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:46 pm
B. wrote: Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:07 pm I remember we also speculated that he may have been a boss in Springfield briefly before settling in NJ after the Castellammarese war, given his status/position in the negotiations during the war. It's also possible his rank as boss of SGI was still recognized in the US when it came to political matters. We have examples of bosses in Sicily losing their rank when they came to the US (Maranzano), but if Troia's brothers were running the show in SGI, this may have allowed him to keep his rank remotely for a time.
The more I think about this the more I come to believe in the strong likelihood that Troia was perhaps a "floating boss" and was the boss of Springfield for a short time. Around the time Troia fled Rockford due to the murder of Joe Giovingo (August 1930), Frank Zito had begun taking control of the rackets in Springfield but he and some associates had found themselves arrested that summer on liquor conspiracy warrants. They were all ultimately convicted in March 1931. Along with Zito being convicted were future made member Vincent Salvo and future Rockford LCN underboss Gaspare Calo. During the time Zito was imprisoned, Troia could very well have led the Springfield group until Zito was released and assumed control of the family from his countryman Troia.
That would make sense.

We know from Nick Gentile's personal experience and info on some other leaders (assuming he was telling the truth, and it should be noted nothing conflicts with this info) that it wasn't a big deal for a respected mafioso to move to a new city and assume a top leadership position for a time. Seems more than reasonable that Troia, having been a boss in Sicily, could have been a boss or administration member in one or more of the cities he lived in during his travels, especially the ones with his paesani. This might also explain why he had trouble adjusting to a lesser rank in Newark under D'Amico, though for all we know he still held some kind of rank there though he was not boss.

Have you found anything else out about Francesco Longo? Stefano Magaddino talks about other mafia-connected Longos from SGI in one of the transcripts from his office. One report says those killed with Troia were relatives and of course Joseph Troia is obvious (though there is conflicting info about whether he is son/step-son) but Troia seems to have recruited Longo from Illinois which may indicate a relation given that Longo was also from SGI.
I've included what I have on Frank Longo in a new thread on him

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