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Coloboy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 2:55 pm

Snakes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 1:31 pm

Coloboy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 1:02 pm On the topic of Zizzo ….

One would assume that during this tumultuous period not long after family secrets, the higher-ups in the organization would be pretty hesitant to approve a murder. It makes me think that whatever was going on with Zizzo and his crew, it must’ve been something that threatened to break the entire outfit apart.

I’m going to operate under the assumption that even if Sarno was official boss at this time, he still would’ve had to have backing from other senior members, people like DiFronzo, Andriacchi, and Tornabene.

My running theory is that Zizzo and the remnants of the Aiuppa/Carlisi/Marcello crew went totally rogue, and that they separated themselves entirely from the administration, and were intent on just doing their own things, particularly related to video poker routes, and planned on not paying any tribute to anyone . A contract would have been approved on the basis that it was the only way to keep the organization in one piece.

A quote that sticks out in my mind from Vince Dublino in the Sarno case…. “I don’t work for you, fat ass.” This could be interpreted as they were doing whatever they wanted.

Just food for thought

I believe that Marcello was still boss (or trying to retain the title of boss) and could have been trying to run things through Zizzo (he was doing this prior to Family Secrets, so why not during?). Maybe DiFronzo and the other Outfit leaders did not want this and preferred to have Sarno running Cicero and/or the Outfit (I'm not sure exactly when Sarno took over). Zizzo could have balked at this and was taken out.

Marcello attempting to retain control via Zizzo is a good theory too. I’ve always speculated that one of the reasons that Marcello has been in Supermax (which always seemed wild to me) was that he might have been trying to retain control behind bars

I’ll also add that if Fosco is to be believed, the Marcello and DiFronzo camps didn’t always see eye to eye going back to the late 80’s

Snakes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 1:31 pm

Coloboy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 1:02 pm On the topic of Zizzo ….

One would assume that during this tumultuous period not long after family secrets, the higher-ups in the organization would be pretty hesitant to approve a murder. It makes me think that whatever was going on with Zizzo and his crew, it must’ve been something that threatened to break the entire outfit apart.

I’m going to operate under the assumption that even if Sarno was official boss at this time, he still would’ve had to have backing from other senior members, people like DiFronzo, Andriacchi, and Tornabene.

My running theory is that Zizzo and the remnants of the Aiuppa/Carlisi/Marcello crew went totally rogue, and that they separated themselves entirely from the administration, and were intent on just doing their own things, particularly related to video poker routes, and planned on not paying any tribute to anyone . A contract would have been approved on the basis that it was the only way to keep the organization in one piece.

A quote that sticks out in my mind from Vince Dublino in the Sarno case…. “I don’t work for you, fat ass.” This could be interpreted as they were doing whatever they wanted.

Just food for thought

I believe that Marcello was still boss (or trying to retain the title of boss) and could have been trying to run things through Zizzo (he was doing this prior to Family Secrets, so why not during?). Maybe DiFronzo and the other Outfit leaders did not want this and preferred to have Sarno running Cicero and/or the Outfit (I'm not sure exactly when Sarno took over). Zizzo could have balked at this and was taken out.

Coloboy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 1:02 pm On the topic of Zizzo ….

One would assume that during this tumultuous period not long after family secrets, the higher-ups in the organization would be pretty hesitant to approve a murder. It makes me think that whatever was going on with Zizzo and his crew, it must’ve been something that threatened to break the entire outfit apart.

I’m going to operate under the assumption that even if Sarno was official boss at this time, he still would’ve had to have backing from other senior members, people like DiFronzo, Andriacchi, and Tornabene.

My running theory is that Zizzo and the remnants of the Aiuppa/Carlisi/Marcello crew went totally rogue, and that they separated themselves entirely from the administration, and were intent on just doing their own things, particularly related to video poker routes, and planned on not paying any tribute to anyone . A contract would have been approved on the basis that it was the only way to keep the organization in one piece.

A quote that sticks out in my mind from Vince Dublino in the Sarno case…. “I don’t work for you, fat ass.” This could be interpreted as they were doing whatever they wanted.

Just food for thought

Coloboy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 1:02 pm On the topic of Zizzo ….

One would assume that during this tumultuous period not long after family secrets, the higher-ups in the organization would be pretty hesitant to approve a murder. It makes me think that whatever was going on with Zizzo and his crew, it must’ve been something that threatened to break the entire outfit apart.

I’m going to operate under the assumption that even if Sarno was official boss at this time, he still would’ve had to have backing from other senior members, people like DiFronzo, Andriacchi, and Tornabene.

My running theory is that Zizzo and the remnants of the Aiuppa/Carlisi/Marcello crew went totally rogue, and that they separated themselves entirely from the administration, and were intent on just doing their own things, particularly related to video poker routes, and planned on not paying any tribute to anyone . A contract would have been approved on the basis that it was the only way to keep the organization in one piece.

A quote that sticks out in my mind from Vince Dublino in the Sarno case…. “I don’t work for you, fat ass.” This could be interpreted as they were doing whatever they wanted.

Just food for thought

Coloboy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 1:02 pm On the topic of Zizzo ….

One would assume that during this tumultuous period not long after family secrets, the higher-ups in the organization would be pretty hesitant to approve a murder. It makes me think that whatever was going on with Zizzo and his crew, it must’ve been something that threatened to break the entire outfit apart.

I’m going to operate under the assumption that even if Sarno was official boss at this time, he still would’ve had to have backing from other senior members, people like DiFronzo, Andriacchi, and Tornabene.

My running theory is that Zizzo and the remnants of the Aiuppa/Carlisi/Marcello crew went totally rogue, and that they separated themselves entirely from the administration, and were intent on just doing their own things, particularly related to video poker routes, and planned on not paying any tribute to anyone . A contract would have been approved on the basis that it was the only way to keep the organization in one piece.

A quote that sticks out in my mind from Vince Dublino in the Sarno case…. “I don’t work for you, fat ass.” This could be interpreted as they were doing whatever they wanted.

Just food for thought

RushStreet wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 8:17 am Who here believes that it was actually Rocco Infelise who ran things while Solly D was second in command? Solly became acting boss after Rocco was sentenced to prison for life.

Agree or disagree?

Rocco may be one of the most underrated bosses in history in my honest opinion. That man was the last of the Mohicans in my opinion and the Outfit was never the same once he was gone.

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 8:38 am

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 13, 2025 6:35 pm

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Sat Apr 12, 2025 7:52 am

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 6:38 am A good source of mine identified someone interesting in the photo with Bellavia and Tony Ducks: Anthony Pipito out of Milwaukee, who I am not familiar with but that's another interesting midwest connection. I also think Gerry Langella is in that photo.

Also I do hope Scalise gets that book written - hell a few of you guys could write that and help him put the pieces together. We should pitch him.

Is there a prison photo of the three? I have seen the attached photo with Pippito and Tony Ducks but none with Bellavia

The photo was shown during the Patreon - I would hope those begin circulating somewhere. Looks like same timeframe - do you know if this photo was in Springfield? I don't know which one Pippito is just that my source knew him from being out of Milwaukee. Kind of interesting milwaukee mob guys were even around prisons like this in the early 90s.

I do not think think Pippito was made but I’m no expert on Milwaukee. I guess it’s not that uncommon for guys that are connected associates to be hanging out with made guys and bosses in prison. The group is small and every person counts. Pippito seems to be the last of the active street guys in Milwaukee. He was dealing a lot of drugs but I’m not sure if any of that drug dealing was directly linked to Balistrieri. Him and Basile got sent away for a long time. Basile was released and died a couple of years ago.

Also, I do not believe Bellavia was made. The fact that he is doing podcasts and interview makes me believe that but who knows.

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 8:35 am

RushStreet wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 8:17 am Who here believes that it was actually Rocco Infelise who ran things while Solly D was second in command? Solly became acting boss after Rocco was sentenced to prison for life.

Agree or disagree?

Rocco may be one of the most underrated bosses in history in my honest opinion. That man was the last of the Mohicans in my opinion and the Outfit was never the same once he was gone.

I don’t agree with that theory at all since none of the informants have made that claim which include guys that would know, Scarpelli, Patrick and Calabrese. Carlisi was boss during that time.

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 13, 2025 6:35 pm

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Sat Apr 12, 2025 7:52 am

NorthBuffalo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 11, 2025 6:38 am A good source of mine identified someone interesting in the photo with Bellavia and Tony Ducks: Anthony Pipito out of Milwaukee, who I am not familiar with but that's another interesting midwest connection. I also think Gerry Langella is in that photo.

Also I do hope Scalise gets that book written - hell a few of you guys could write that and help him put the pieces together. We should pitch him.

Is there a prison photo of the three? I have seen the attached photo with Pippito and Tony Ducks but none with Bellavia

The photo was shown during the Patreon - I would hope those begin circulating somewhere. Looks like same timeframe - do you know if this photo was in Springfield? I don't know which one Pippito is just that my source knew him from being out of Milwaukee. Kind of interesting milwaukee mob guys were even around prisons like this in the early 90s.

RushStreet wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 8:17 am Who here believes that it was actually Rocco Infelise who ran things while Solly D was second in command? Solly became acting boss after Rocco was sentenced to prison for life.

Agree or disagree?

Rocco may be one of the most underrated bosses in history in my honest opinion. That man was the last of the Mohicans in my opinion and the Outfit was never the same once he was gone.