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Re: How are the Colombos viewed by other mafia families?

by AntComello » Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:30 am

Sammy saying that he would be dead against making his son or having him in the life but instead he gets him involved in drug dealing and gets sent to prison lol nice one Sammy

Re: How are the Colombos viewed by other mafia families?

by johnny_scootch » Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:58 am

moneyman wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:21 am
johnny_scootch wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:47 am
moneyman wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:39 am The common myth "the Genovese don't allow their sons to made - that's why they are so smart and powerful" can be disproven even within the Genovese (Larcas, Esposito, etc.)
This is a common myth?

I may have heard one or twice the Genovese don’t usually make their sons on same scale as some other families but that being the reason they’re ‘smart and powerful’ is just ridiculous. Who has said this?
If I remember right this was originally mentioned by Gravano in his book, also mentioned in Five Families from Raab, and recently in Gravano's podcast.

But neither Mr. Gravano nor most of the other mobsters were really delighted with the lives they had chosen. Of the most important meeting he ever attended, among the bosses of the various New York crime families -- including Vincent (the Chin) Gigante, who was supposed to be too mentally deranged to find his way there, but somehow did -- Mr. Gravano tells us: ''One thing I'll never forget from that meeting was John telling Chin in sort of a proud way that his son, John Jr., had just been made. Instead of congratulating him, Chin said, 'Jeez, I'm sorry to hear that.' We were a little shocked by this, but Chin was right. Paul Castellano didn't want his kids in the life. None of Chin's sons were made. I myself would be dead set against it. I wanted my son to be legitimate, to have nothing to do with what I did. So here was Chin, who's supposed to be crazy, saying who in their right mind wanted their son to be made? And there was John boasting about it. Who was really crazy?''
Yes, I’m familiar with this paragraph but because Chin didn’t do it (even tho he actually did) it doesn’t make it a ‘common myth’ that the whole Genovese family doesn’t do it and it especially doesn’t equate to being ‘smart and powerful’. I don’t mean to be breaking your balls I just never heard anyone say what you said the way you said it so I questioned it.

I’m sure if we looked at the actual numbers the Genovese family straighten out their kids just as much as any other family save maybe the Colombo family.

This reminds me of the Jaguar bug conversation between Tony Ducks and Sal Avellino where one of them comments that the Colombo’s make all their sons and that if they (Corallo and Avellino) didn’t want that for their kids they must think ‘the life’ is for the birds.

Re: How are the Colombos viewed by other mafia families?

by furiofromnaples » Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:20 am

Gigante was a hypocrite.The children he had had with his goomar were instead made into the family.
And was their arrogance towards George Barone,that led to shelving of Barone and his decision to flip.

Re: How are the Colombos viewed by other mafia families?

by newera_212 » Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:39 am

Chin could have said that not out of principal, but specifically because it was a Gotti son. As in "I'm sorry to hear there will be another Gotti in the mix" or maybe even "I know of your son being a stunad, so I'm sorry to hear he'll have a position now"

Re: How are the Colombos viewed by other mafia families?

by moneyman » Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:21 am

johnny_scootch wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:47 am
moneyman wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:39 am The common myth "the Genovese don't allow their sons to made - that's why they are so smart and powerful" can be disproven even within the Genovese (Larcas, Esposito, etc.)
This is a common myth?

I may have heard one or twice the Genovese don’t usually make their sons on same scale as some other families but that being the reason they’re ‘smart and powerful’ is just ridiculous. Who has said this?
If I remember right this was originally mentioned by Gravano in his book, also mentioned in Five Families from Raab, and recently in Gravano's podcast.

But neither Mr. Gravano nor most of the other mobsters were really delighted with the lives they had chosen. Of the most important meeting he ever attended, among the bosses of the various New York crime families -- including Vincent (the Chin) Gigante, who was supposed to be too mentally deranged to find his way there, but somehow did -- Mr. Gravano tells us: ''One thing I'll never forget from that meeting was John telling Chin in sort of a proud way that his son, John Jr., had just been made. Instead of congratulating him, Chin said, 'Jeez, I'm sorry to hear that.' We were a little shocked by this, but Chin was right. Paul Castellano didn't want his kids in the life. None of Chin's sons were made. I myself would be dead set against it. I wanted my son to be legitimate, to have nothing to do with what I did. So here was Chin, who's supposed to be crazy, saying who in their right mind wanted their son to be made? And there was John boasting about it. Who was really crazy?''

Re: How are the Colombos viewed by other mafia families?

by CabriniGreen » Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:19 pm

The Colombos must be repected in Italy. They have relations with the Glen Cove/ Ndrangheta people...

Re: How are the Colombos viewed by other mafia families?

by SonnyBlackstein » Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:12 am

johnny_scootch wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:47 am
moneyman wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:39 am The common myth "the Genovese don't allow their sons to made - that's why they are so smart and powerful" can be disproven even within the Genovese (Larcas, Esposito, etc.)
This is a common myth?

I may have heard one or twice the Genovese don’t usually make their sons on same scale as some other families but that being the reason they’re ‘smart and powerful’ is just ridiculous. Who has said this?
Not that I agree with the argument but I understand it.
Inductions are based on merit vs nepotism.
I don't think it explains the exceptionalism of the Westside but there is a logic to it.

Re: How are the Colombos viewed by other mafia families?

by johnny_scootch » Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:47 am

moneyman wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:39 am The common myth "the Genovese don't allow their sons to made - that's why they are so smart and powerful" can be disproven even within the Genovese (Larcas, Esposito, etc.)
This is a common myth?

I may have heard one or twice the Genovese don’t usually make their sons on same scale as some other families but that being the reason they’re ‘smart and powerful’ is just ridiculous. Who has said this?

Re: How are the Colombos viewed by other mafia families?

by moneyman » Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:39 am

We know Mancuso is close with Colombo members, so we can infer that at least the Bronx faction of the Bonannos probably hold the Colombos in high regard.

I imagine the fact that the Colombos have kept their membership so close knit and that they mostly all share common familial ties is respected by other families. The common myth "the Genovese don't allow their sons to made - that's why they are so smart and powerful" can be disproven even within the Genovese (Larcas, Esposito, etc.) My thinking is that is Chin playing mind games with Gotti.

Re: How are the Colombos viewed by other mafia families?

by SonnyBlackstein » Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:01 pm

How real do you think any of that crap is?

Re: How are the Colombos viewed by other mafia families?

by AntComello » Tue Nov 21, 2023 8:22 am

newera_212 wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:51 am
AntComello wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:38 am Sorry kind if off topic but I follow a bunch of Colombo guys kids on Instagram and they have $$$$$$. Iced out chains and always driving nice ass cars lol Jojo Petillo son has a big ass iced out “JP” chain 😂😂😂 Angelo Spadas kid has a driver that drives him around in a brand new Escalade all day. Vinny Posa kids always in rolls Royce’s and shit. And they still hang out with Ferrara son even tho he recently ratted. There’s prob more that I’m forgetting. They def are striving to be made one day lol
Doesn't the Posa family have money - that pizza business and multiple properties/real estate? They surely aren't driving around like that off the back of Vinny and him selling Roxi 30s and coke. At least that's what I would think. Wonder how many of these kids have something going on themselves as well, wouldn't be surprised if some are working in the MCA field or some other quasi-legal hustle where they are legally able to rob people. I've heard that Vinny Posa is a good guy and a gentleman.
They sold that pizza business about a year ago. Not sure what other business they have or run. Definitely not hurting for money tho. Your right they must have real estate or something that bring them income every month. The son used to always post about that pizza place but since they sold he hasn’t posted anything showing he has another job. Whatever happened with that pill case Vinny Posa caught? Havnt heard anything.

Re: How are the Colombos viewed by other mafia families?

by newera_212 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:51 am

AntComello wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:38 am Sorry kind if off topic but I follow a bunch of Colombo guys kids on Instagram and they have $$$$$$. Iced out chains and always driving nice ass cars lol Jojo Petillo son has a big ass iced out “JP” chain 😂😂😂 Angelo Spadas kid has a driver that drives him around in a brand new Escalade all day. Vinny Posa kids always in rolls Royce’s and shit. And they still hang out with Ferrara son even tho he recently ratted. There’s prob more that I’m forgetting. They def are striving to be made one day lol
Doesn't the Posa family have money - that pizza business and multiple properties/real estate? They surely aren't driving around like that off the back of Vinny and him selling Roxi 30s and coke. At least that's what I would think. Wonder how many of these kids have something going on themselves as well, wouldn't be surprised if some are working in the MCA field or some other quasi-legal hustle where they are legally able to rob people. I've heard that Vinny Posa is a good guy and a gentleman.

Re: How are the Colombos viewed by other mafia families?

by bn » Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:14 pm

B. wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 10:29 am I believe Fusco was originally from Brooklyn. I'd be curious which Colombo guys have originally come from other neighborhoods outside of Brooklyn, Staten Island, Queens, and Long Island.

Joe Yacovelli and Mooney Cutrone were Little Italy guys which wasn't typical of the Family. Don't know who recruited Yacovelli but he in turn sponsored Cutrone.
According to a FBI informant in the late 60s, Yacovelli was sponsored for membership by Ralph 'Whitey' Tropiano.

Re: How are the Colombos viewed by other mafia families?

by AntComello » Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:38 am

Sorry kind if off topic but I follow a bunch of Colombo guys kids on Instagram and they have $$$$$$. Iced out chains and always driving nice ass cars lol Jojo Petillo son has a big ass iced out “JP” chain 😂😂😂 Angelo Spadas kid has a driver that drives him around in a brand new Escalade all day. Vinny Posa kids always in rolls Royce’s and shit. And they still hang out with Ferrara son even tho he recently ratted. There’s prob more that I’m forgetting. They def are striving to be made one day lol

Re: How are the Colombos viewed by other mafia families?

by TSNYC » Mon Oct 30, 2023 3:05 pm

Nichilo and his crew likely dealt with Teddy and Carmine Persico who run Vintage Towing / auto body …. Like others have said, guys on street don’t think in this macro level like us, Gambinos came up in same neighborhoods as Colombos and Bonannos, etc; serious or class guys on street are respected for that. At one time, not too long ago, but from (not sure if still active, but was a hub as recently as couple years ago), Colombos had a social club on Ocean Ave in rosebank area of Staten Island that was frequented by Genovese and Lucchese guys.

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