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Re: Cirelli apartment bug

by Browniety86 » Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:26 pm

Cheech wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:53 am
TSNYC wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:19 pm I’m pretty sure in Gleeson’s book, he said it was based on a still secret informant.

The idea that they heard steps, and saw an apt upstairs belonged to a wise guy’s widow and that was enough to bug an old widow’s apartment seems hard to believe.
I agree. I think its bullshit. I dont see a judge granting a bug based on that info
Somebody absolutely gave it up...

Re: Cirelli apartment bug

by Cheech » Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:53 am

TSNYC wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:19 pm I’m pretty sure in Gleeson’s book, he said it was based on a still secret informant.

The idea that they heard steps, and saw an apt upstairs belonged to a wise guy’s widow and that was enough to bug an old widow’s apartment seems hard to believe.
I agree. I think its bullshit. I dont see a judge granting a bug based on that info

Re: Cirelli apartment bug

by SonnyBlackstein » Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:38 pm

TSNYC wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:19 pm The idea that they heard steps, and saw an apt upstairs belonged to a wise guy’s widow and that was enough to bug an old widow’s apartment seems hard to believe.
Its the Ravenite. A Wise-guys widow owns the apartment above. Gotti et al would go missing from the club but would never leave.
Its an easy problem to solve.

Re: Cirelli apartment bug

by TSNYC » Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:19 pm

I’m pretty sure in Gleeson’s book, he said it was based on a still secret informant.

The idea that they heard steps, and saw an apt upstairs belonged to a wise guy’s widow and that was enough to bug an old widow’s apartment seems hard to believe.

Re: Cirelli apartment bug

by Browniety86 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:00 pm

Maybe someone let it go in a casual conversation with a FBI agent...these motherfuckers try to groom these guys by being nonchalant and friendly with them...like the two FBI agents with Sammy or when Al Bruno let it slip to a Fed that Emilio Fusco got his button...They're constantly lurking around surveilling these guys and somehow the wiseguys become comfortable with the agents...How these guys forget the government is their enemy is beyond me...

Re: Cirelli apartment bug

by The Greek » Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:26 pm

I remember reading that they heard footsteps going upstairs w the hallway bug. Once they discovered it was Netti Cerelli's apt and she would go shopping every time they'd hear the footsteps, they got permission to plant the bug

Re: Cirelli apartment bug

by CornerBoy » Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:03 pm

the cat

Re: Cirelli apartment bug

by NYNighthawk » Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:49 am

It was someone Gotti himself would never believe would give him up like that!

Re: Cirelli apartment bug

by funkster » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:15 pm

Browniety86 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:36 pm
Sol wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:01 pm
Browniety86 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 9:12 pm I've read on here, I'm a few other forum topics, people believe someone in Gotti's inner circle gave up the Cirelli apartment to the Feds as a meeting place...My question is who?
My initial guess was Norman DuPont, the Ravenite caretaker, but he doesn't fit the bill as being close enough to Gotti. Any guesses or knowledge of who it was?
Answer this question and I'll give you the answer, who is in Gotti inner circle and is close to Gotti and is never heard on those tapes?......Sol
Jackie Nose is the first name that comes to mind....Watts is another...
No way it was Damico.

Re: Cirelli apartment bug

by outfit guy » Mon Nov 13, 2023 4:55 pm

I don't believe Gotti, et al, made it public; they'd go into the hallway and disappear. The FBI's story - maybe cover story - is Norman boasted to a woman he was dating the Gotti went upstairs to speak. The woman allegedly told the FBI. She was on surveillance, I'm sure, so they naturally speak to her. You can't believe anything the FBI states.

Re: Cirelli apartment bug

by Uforeality » Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:02 pm

I thought Watts was the informant. He fits the bill, so to speak. Very successful, business savvy and very well received by his peers.

Re: Cirelli apartment bug

by bronx » Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:42 pm

ty 86

Re: Cirelli apartment bug

by Browniety86 » Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:37 pm

bronx wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 9:31 pm Normans doing life no way
Oh I know that...I thought him as in casually saying it, not actively seeking the Feds to inform...

Re: Cirelli apartment bug

by Browniety86 » Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:36 pm

Sol wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:01 pm
Browniety86 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 9:12 pm I've read on here, I'm a few other forum topics, people believe someone in Gotti's inner circle gave up the Cirelli apartment to the Feds as a meeting place...My question is who?
My initial guess was Norman DuPont, the Ravenite caretaker, but he doesn't fit the bill as being close enough to Gotti. Any guesses or knowledge of who it was?
Answer this question and I'll give you the answer, who is in Gotti inner circle and is close to Gotti and is never heard on those tapes?......Sol
Jackie Nose is the first name that comes to mind....Watts is another...

Re: Cirelli apartment bug

by Sol » Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:01 pm

Browniety86 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 9:12 pm I've read on here, I'm a few other forum topics, people believe someone in Gotti's inner circle gave up the Cirelli apartment to the Feds as a meeting place...My question is who?
My initial guess was Norman DuPont, the Ravenite caretaker, but he doesn't fit the bill as being close enough to Gotti. Any guesses or knowledge of who it was?
Answer this question and I'll give you the answer, who is in Gotti inner circle and is close to Gotti and is never heard on those tapes?......Sol

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