by CabriniGreen » Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:04 am
johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 5:01 am
johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:58 am
https://youtu.be/EmB5jVPS0f8
A Pennisi video on the meeting, he names Paolo Perrino cousin of Matteo Messina Denaro and high ranking member of Cosa Nostra as the organizer of the meeting. Apparently the authorizes not only set up surveillance of the meeting but they were also able to plant bugs and listen in on the entire meeting.
Cross post from the News from Italy thread.
Pennisi did a previous video saying Bontade created a covered lodge in the 70s that united bosses of Sicily and Calabria.... I'll link it.....
When I 1st saw this, i thought from Sicily, the Fidanzati- Guttadauro, and from Calabria, the Castanu branch of the Barbaros.
To me, a couple highly interesting questions were.....
Would this mafia " Consortium" be of higher authority than the Ndrangheta "Lombardia" structure?
Obviously, Who from Naples was there?
Here's a much better article.....
https://www.lindipendente.online/2023/1 ... e-camorra/
In Lombardy a great alliance is said to be underway between Cosa Nostra, 'Ndrangheta and Camorra
OCTOBER 26, 2023 - 11:31 AM
According to the magistrates of Milan, the main mafia associations of the country would have found in Lombardy the theater for a great alliance.
The DDA of the capital, assisted by the investigations of the Carabinieri investigative unit, says it is certain of the fact that important clans of Cosa Nostra, the 'Ndrangheta and the Camorra have come together in a real confederation, called "Consortium", to manage business and society in an organic way, handling millions of euros.
At the center of everything, the management of drug trafficking - an incredibly profitable business -, the infiltration of the Lombard economic and entrepreneurial fabric, money laundering, extortion.
The prosecutors' meticulous investigations led to 153 arrest requests, included in a 5,000-page document. The investigating judge, who ordered hundreds of searches and the seizure of over 200 million euros, however rejected most of the accusations, giving the OK to the arrest of only 11 people (8 with mafia aggravating circumstances). Since one person has died in the meantime, there are therefore 142 suspects at large, but the prosecutor has already appealed to the Court of Review against the judge's decision.
The investigation includes characters and gangs of great criminal importance. As regards the 'Ndrangheta, those affected by the investigation are, in particular, the Legnano - Lonate Pozzolo premises and the Iamonte and Romeo families .
For the Camorra, the Neapolitan Senese clan, already deeply rooted in Rome, would be operating in Lombardy .
Cosa Nostra is instead represented by the Fidanzati clan - in which the names of Giuseppe and Stefano stand out, respectively son and brother of the mafia boss Gaetano Fidanzati (who was sentenced to the Maxitrial of Palermo after being accused by the repentant Buscetta and Contorno) -, the families gelesi Nicastro and Rinzivillo, the Mazzei gang from Catania.
But a criminal group can be traced back to elements directly linked to the Castelvetrano clan , which was the fiefdom of the superboss Matteo Messina Denaro : his relative Errante Parrino; the Pace, organic to the Trapani people; Gioacchino Amico from Canicatte, linked to the Sienese; the entrepreneurs Rosario and Giovanni Abilone, who made around 200 companies available to the criminal network for money laundering; Antonio Messina , known as "the lawyer".
The latter participated in several meetings with the members of the "Consortium" at the San Vito bar in Campobello di Mazara , about a hundred meters from the hideout where Messina Denaro conducted his fugitive.
These meetings , according to the Prosecutor's Office (but not according to the investigating judge) "document the connections, as well as the joint interest in huge economic deals, between the Lombardy mafia system and the former fugitive Matteo Messina Denaro".
Bernardo Pace , intercepted while speaking in a low voice with another suspect, Domenico Tripodi, believed to be close to the 'Ndrangheta club in Desio, referring to Milanese affairs, says: "And not only that... he also knew", alluding to a character whose name he then expressly mentions in a whisper: «Matteo Messina Denaro». In another wiretap, Massimo Rosi , symbol of the 'Ndrangheta club in Lonate Pozzolo, is heard saying : «I come to discover that he (Friend, ed.) is well supported. There's Gambino, Messina Dera... Matteo Messina Denaro. What the fuck do you want better than iddi."
The "Lombardy mafia system", according to the hypotheses put forward by the Prosecutor's Office, would have brought together Cosa Nostra, 'Ndrangheta and Camorra with the aim of managing "financial, relational and operational resources, through a stable bond between them characterized by the management and optimization of the relevant profits deriving from sophisticated financial operations carried out by pooling companies, capital and liquidity".
The "Consortium" - active in particular in Milan, Varese and in their respective provinces - would have operated on many fronts , including drug trafficking and sale, the creation of companies to profit from the Ecobonus and Covid, the management of with mayors, representatives of regional politics and parliamentarians, the extortion and takeover of companies in crisis, the control of procurement (even in prisons), investments in the oil sector.
Yet, according to the investigating judge, the intimidating force typical of the mafia association is missing, which would cause many charges to be dropped. According to the prosecutors, however, one of the elements that represents the factual symbol of the "great alliance" between the mafia groups is the presence of the "basin", that is, a common fund for all the organizations, into which the money was paid, the result of the recycling, which had to be used to support members who ended up in prison.
The unity of the structure would have been functional to maximizing profits and resolving internal disputes more quickly and effectively. Possibly in a "submersion" logic, without making any noise. «Axis not axis... we will build everything... always where with the proceeds of Milan, Milan... with the proceeds of Rome, Rome... with the proceeds of Calabria, Calabria... with the proceeds of Sicily, Sicily... we have built an empire and we have made ourselves authorized everything from Milan... passing through Calabria, Naples, everywhere...", says Amico in an interception. Words that seem to outline a real manifesto.
[by Stefano Baudino]
[quote=johnny_scootch post_id=269758 time=1698667290 user_id=105]
[quote=johnny_scootch post_id=269757 time=1698667095 user_id=105]
[quote=Wiseguy post_id=269625 time=1698410689 user_id=51]
'Super mafia' fears as leading figures from Italy's three most powerful mobs - 'Ndrangheta, Camorra and Cosa Nostra - are seen sharing a meal of wine and pasta together
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12679141/Mafia-Italy-powerful-Ndrangheta-Camorra-Cosa-Nostra.html
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https://youtu.be/EmB5jVPS0f8
A Pennisi video on the meeting, he names Paolo Perrino cousin of Matteo Messina Denaro and high ranking member of Cosa Nostra as the organizer of the meeting. Apparently the authorizes not only set up surveillance of the meeting but they were also able to plant bugs and listen in on the entire meeting.
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Cross post from the News from Italy thread.
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Pennisi did a previous video saying Bontade created a covered lodge in the 70s that united bosses of Sicily and Calabria.... I'll link it.....
When I 1st saw this, i thought from Sicily, the Fidanzati- Guttadauro, and from Calabria, the Castanu branch of the Barbaros.
To me, a couple highly interesting questions were.....
Would this mafia " Consortium" be of higher authority than the Ndrangheta "Lombardia" structure?
Obviously, Who from Naples was there?
Here's a much better article.....
https://www.lindipendente.online/2023/10/26/in-lombardia-sarebbe-in-atto-una-grande-alleanza-tra-cosa-nostra-ndrangheta-e-camorra/
[b]In Lombardy a great alliance is said to be underway between Cosa Nostra, 'Ndrangheta and Camorra
OCTOBER 26, 2023 - 11:31 [/b]AM
According to the magistrates of Milan, the main mafia associations of the country would have found in Lombardy the theater for a great alliance.
The DDA of the capital, assisted by the investigations of the Carabinieri investigative unit, says it is certain of the fact that important clans of Cosa Nostra, the 'Ndrangheta and the Camorra have come together in a real confederation, called "Consortium", to manage business and society in an organic way, handling millions of euros.
At the center of everything, the management of drug trafficking - an incredibly profitable business -, the infiltration of the Lombard economic and entrepreneurial fabric, money laundering, extortion.
The prosecutors' meticulous investigations led to 153 arrest requests, included in a 5,000-page document. The investigating judge, who ordered hundreds of searches and the seizure of over 200 million euros, however rejected most of the accusations, giving the OK to the arrest of only 11 people (8 with mafia aggravating circumstances). Since one person has died in the meantime, there are therefore 142 suspects at large, but the prosecutor has already appealed to the Court of Review against the judge's decision.
The investigation includes characters and gangs of great criminal importance. As regards the 'Ndrangheta, those affected by the investigation are, in particular, the Legnano - Lonate Pozzolo premises and the Iamonte and Romeo families .
For the Camorra, the Neapolitan Senese clan, already deeply rooted in Rome, would be operating in Lombardy .
Cosa Nostra is instead represented by the Fidanzati clan - in which the names of Giuseppe and Stefano stand out, respectively son and brother of the mafia boss Gaetano Fidanzati (who was sentenced to the Maxitrial of Palermo after being accused by the repentant Buscetta and Contorno) -, the families gelesi Nicastro and Rinzivillo, the Mazzei gang from Catania.
But a criminal group can be traced back to elements directly linked to the Castelvetrano clan , which was the fiefdom of the superboss Matteo Messina Denaro : his relative Errante Parrino; the Pace, organic to the Trapani people; Gioacchino Amico from Canicatte, linked to the Sienese; the entrepreneurs Rosario and Giovanni Abilone, who made around 200 companies available to the criminal network for money laundering; Antonio Messina , known as "the lawyer".
The latter participated in several meetings with the members of the "Consortium" at the San Vito bar in Campobello di Mazara , about a hundred meters from the hideout where Messina Denaro conducted his fugitive.
These meetings , according to the Prosecutor's Office (but not according to the investigating judge) "document the connections, as well as the joint interest in huge economic deals, between the Lombardy mafia system and the former fugitive Matteo Messina Denaro".
Bernardo Pace , intercepted while speaking in a low voice with another suspect, Domenico Tripodi, believed to be close to the 'Ndrangheta club in Desio, referring to Milanese affairs, says: "And not only that... he also knew", alluding to a character whose name he then expressly mentions in a whisper: «Matteo Messina Denaro». In another wiretap, Massimo Rosi , symbol of the 'Ndrangheta club in Lonate Pozzolo, is heard saying : «I come to discover that he (Friend, ed.) is well supported. There's Gambino, Messina Dera... Matteo Messina Denaro. What the fuck do you want better than iddi."
The "Lombardy mafia system", according to the hypotheses put forward by the Prosecutor's Office, would have brought together Cosa Nostra, 'Ndrangheta and Camorra with the aim of managing "financial, relational and operational resources, through a stable bond between them characterized by the management and optimization of the relevant profits deriving from sophisticated financial operations carried out by pooling companies, capital and liquidity".
The "Consortium" - active in particular in Milan, Varese and in their respective provinces - would have operated on many fronts , including drug trafficking and sale, the creation of companies to profit from the Ecobonus and Covid, the management of with mayors, representatives of regional politics and parliamentarians, the extortion and takeover of companies in crisis, the control of procurement (even in prisons), investments in the oil sector.
Yet, according to the investigating judge, the intimidating force typical of the mafia association is missing, which would cause many charges to be dropped. According to the prosecutors, however, one of the elements that represents the factual symbol of the "great alliance" between the mafia groups is the presence of the "basin", that is, a common fund for all the organizations, into which the money was paid, the result of the recycling, which had to be used to support members who ended up in prison.
The unity of the structure would have been functional to maximizing profits and resolving internal disputes more quickly and effectively. Possibly in a "submersion" logic, without making any noise. «Axis not axis... we will build everything... always where with the proceeds of Milan, Milan... with the proceeds of Rome, Rome... with the proceeds of Calabria, Calabria... with the proceeds of Sicily, Sicily... we have built an empire and we have made ourselves authorized everything from Milan... passing through Calabria, Naples, everywhere...", says Amico in an interception. Words that seem to outline a real manifesto.
[by Stefano Baudino]