by PolackTony » Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:03 pm
motorfab wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:43 am
JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:56 am
PolackTony wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:22 am
JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:35 am
Johnny roselli is another one that comes to mind …
He was technically a soldier his whole career tho he acted as like an advisor and/or liaison between like LA and Chicago et al.
Roselli was not a soldier direct with the admin when he was a a Chicago member though. He was assigned to capodecina Frank LaPorte.
No shit … wow did not know that
Was this the whole time???
Later in life Roselli was one of the key CIA/Giancana/Castro antagonists…. Surprised to hear he has a capo
And was he ever transferred to LA??
Actually it's the opposite, he was a soldier of the Los Angeles Crime Family, direct under his boss Jack Dragna, and he was transferred to the Outfit when Dragna died in 1956 (he wasn't a big fan of Frank DeSimone)
Yes, exactly. Roselli was made into the LA outfit in 1947 with Sal Piscopo and later transferred to Chicago when Dragna died. 1956 was also the year that Giancana became Chicago boss and also when LaPorte succeeded Vincenzo “Jimmy Emery” Ammirato as capo of the Chicago Heights crew. We know that at least by the 1960s, Rosselli was assigned to LaPorte, and likely this arrangement pertained from when Roselli was transferred. Roselli wasn’t the only out-of-state Chicago member assigned to LaPorte, as Frank LaGalbo, who transferred from Milwaukee in the ‘50s, also answered to LaPorte. LaPorte was also very close to Frank Bompensiero and spent a lot of time in CA as he had property and investments there.
So far as we know, Phil Alderisio and Marshall Caifano were direct with Giancana while he was boss. Albert “Obie” Frabotta may have also been assigned to Giancana, but this is less clear. Jimmy Frattiano believed that he transferred to Chicago as a soldier direct with Giancana also, but this transfer was not conducted per protocol and was not approved by either the LA admin or, apparently, Chicago’s Consiglio.
Both under LA and Chicago, Rosselli was a prime example of a soldier who punched well above his weight in terms of status and influence, until he fell out of favor around 1970. During his time with LA, he may have been direct with the admin, though I believe that prior to the 1950s (someone can correct me if I’m wrong), LA may not have had capidecine and if this was the case, all of the soldiers would have answered direct to the admin anyway (as has been the case with some Families in Sicily historically).
Another possible example of a powerful soldier direct with the boss could have been Giancana himself. Rosselli was cited in Fratianno’s book as identifying Giancana as having been a soldier under Accardo prior to becoming boss. The timeline isn’t super clear for this, however, and other sources would seem to support Giancana having been Accardo’s UB. Accardo was in power about 10 years though, so Giancana’s rank could’ve changed over that time. But it’s also possible that if he was a soldier direct with Accardo (who was Giancana’s paesan’, with both of their families hailing from Castelvetrano/Partanna), Giancana could’ve had a level of clout that made him seem to be an underboss, or could’ve served as a de facto “street boss” for Accardo.
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Johnny roselli is another one that comes to mind …
He was technically a soldier his whole career tho he acted as like an advisor and/or liaison between like LA and Chicago et al.
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Roselli was not a soldier direct with the admin when he was a a Chicago member though. He was assigned to capodecina Frank LaPorte.
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No shit … wow did not know that
Was this the whole time???
Later in life Roselli was one of the key CIA/Giancana/Castro antagonists…. Surprised to hear he has a capo
And was he ever transferred to LA??
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Actually it's the opposite, he was a soldier of the Los Angeles Crime Family, direct under his boss Jack Dragna, and he was transferred to the Outfit when Dragna died in 1956 (he wasn't a big fan of Frank DeSimone)
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Yes, exactly. Roselli was made into the LA outfit in 1947 with Sal Piscopo and later transferred to Chicago when Dragna died. 1956 was also the year that Giancana became Chicago boss and also when LaPorte succeeded Vincenzo “Jimmy Emery” Ammirato as capo of the Chicago Heights crew. We know that at least by the 1960s, Rosselli was assigned to LaPorte, and likely this arrangement pertained from when Roselli was transferred. Roselli wasn’t the only out-of-state Chicago member assigned to LaPorte, as Frank LaGalbo, who transferred from Milwaukee in the ‘50s, also answered to LaPorte. LaPorte was also very close to Frank Bompensiero and spent a lot of time in CA as he had property and investments there.
So far as we know, Phil Alderisio and Marshall Caifano were direct with Giancana while he was boss. Albert “Obie” Frabotta may have also been assigned to Giancana, but this is less clear. Jimmy Frattiano believed that he transferred to Chicago as a soldier direct with Giancana also, but this transfer was not conducted per protocol and was not approved by either the LA admin or, apparently, Chicago’s Consiglio.
Both under LA and Chicago, Rosselli was a prime example of a soldier who punched well above his weight in terms of status and influence, until he fell out of favor around 1970. During his time with LA, he may have been direct with the admin, though I believe that prior to the 1950s (someone can correct me if I’m wrong), LA may not have had capidecine and if this was the case, all of the soldiers would have answered direct to the admin anyway (as has been the case with some Families in Sicily historically).
Another possible example of a powerful soldier direct with the boss could have been Giancana himself. Rosselli was cited in Fratianno’s book as identifying Giancana as having been a soldier under Accardo prior to becoming boss. The timeline isn’t super clear for this, however, and other sources would seem to support Giancana having been Accardo’s UB. Accardo was in power about 10 years though, so Giancana’s rank could’ve changed over that time. But it’s also possible that if he was a soldier direct with Accardo (who was Giancana’s paesan’, with both of their families hailing from Castelvetrano/Partanna), Giancana could’ve had a level of clout that made him seem to be an underboss, or could’ve served as a de facto “street boss” for Accardo.