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Re: General Mob Questions

by Proletarian187 » Mon Apr 07, 2025 6:56 am

motorfab wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 5:31 am The photo is sometimes used on some sites (with no sources) to illustrate articles about the so call "Famiglia Vagabonda", a Black Hand group active in Fairmont West Virginia. There is a awful article about it on wikipedia (but withouth the pic) where they actually mixed-up several groups active there.

Anyway, I already try to look if it was reallly them on this pic but never manage to find out
Interesting. Thank you.

The mystery deepens, I did always think they look very cowboy-ish, (a lot of people did back then tho) but still assumed it was from Sicily. West Virginia was NOT on my shortlist.

Re: General Mob Questions

by motorfab » Mon Apr 07, 2025 5:31 am

The photo is sometimes used on some sites (with no sources) to illustrate articles about the so call "Famiglia Vagabonda", a Black Hand group active in Fairmont West Virginia. There is a awful article about it on wikipedia (but withouth the pic) where they actually mixed-up several groups active there.

Anyway, I already try to look if it was reallly them on this pic but never manage to find out

Re: General Mob Questions

by Proletarian187 » Mon Apr 07, 2025 4:42 am

PolackTony wrote: Sun Apr 06, 2025 8:49 pm
Proletarian187 wrote: Sun Apr 06, 2025 11:02 am A very specific question: Who are the group of men in the photo on the front cover of "Men of respect" by Raimondo Catanzaro?

I assume it's a cosce or part of one, all the men are pretty young which is interesting. Lots of mustaches of course. To me the mob died when they got rid of mustaches.

One of my favourite pictures ever.
Good question. I’ve wondered myself but have no idea. I don’t believe that the book ever states the source of this photo.
It does not, which is annoying as hell. I guess I have a project now. Identify the mustaches!

Re: General Mob Questions

by PolackTony » Sun Apr 06, 2025 8:49 pm

Proletarian187 wrote: Sun Apr 06, 2025 11:02 am A very specific question: Who are the group of men in the photo on the front cover of "Men of respect" by Raimondo Catanzaro?

I assume it's a cosce or part of one, all the men are pretty young which is interesting. Lots of mustaches of course. To me the mob died when they got rid of mustaches.

One of my favourite pictures ever.
Good question. I’ve wondered myself but have no idea. I don’t believe that the book ever states the source of this photo.

Re: General Mob Questions

by Proletarian187 » Sun Apr 06, 2025 11:02 am

A very specific question: Who are the group of men in the photo on the front cover of "Men of respect" by Raimondo Catanzaro?

I assume it's a cosce or part of one, all the men are pretty young which is interesting. Lots of mustaches of course. To me the mob died when they got rid of mustaches.

One of my favourite pictures ever.

Re: General Mob Questions

by JeremyTheJew » Wed Mar 26, 2025 9:24 am

Saw Alto Knights the other day

Pretty decent I guess ....

Gonna wait another week before really discussing it bc it did cover a few things interesting and of course made Hollywood stories for a few others ...

Made gigante look like a absolute moron lol

Re: General Mob Questions

by Ivan » Thu Mar 06, 2025 11:35 pm

PolackTony wrote: Thu Mar 06, 2025 11:15 pm
Ivan wrote: Thu Mar 06, 2025 5:44 pm Can someone explain to me what the "street boss: of the Chicago Outfit does, and how he ranks vis a vis the boss and underboss?
No member source ever identified “street boss” as a position. Nick Calabrese mentioned no such thing in his 2007 testimony and the 2005 Federal indictments for the Family Secrets case, which laid out the organizational structure of the Chicago LCN Family made no mention of it either. Neither did the debriefing on Chicago LCN to Congress in the ‘80s by then Chicago FBI FO SAC Ed Hegarty.

A number of LE documents used “street boss” as well as “crew boss” to denote a captain of a crew. These were largely derived from intel from non-member CIs/CWs and reflect the casual usage on the street by non-member associates and those more peripherally connected to the mob. We know from several member sources, however, that within the actual Chicago LCN organization itself, this position was in fact called “capodecina/capo/captain”, same as anywhere else.

We know that in some other Families, “street boss” typically denotes a member who serves as something like a liaison between the boss/UB and the captains, as a further layer of insulation for the admin. This isn’t a formal position, but rather a role or set of responsibilities (similar to how Families might use a member as a liaison/“messaggero” to another Family, but that isn’t a formal position within the mafia organizational structure). Chicago may well at times have used a captain to act in this manner, but if so, we have no source that tells us they called this role “street boss”.

If you are referring to stuff like when Scott B refers to Albie Vena as “the street boss of the Chicago outfit”, then you’d need to ask him where he derived this from and what exactly he means by it, as I don’t have the slightest clue.
Yeah him, and a lot of other people. Was never able to find out what it meant, if anything. Thanks.

Re: General Mob Questions

by PolackTony » Thu Mar 06, 2025 11:15 pm

Ivan wrote: Thu Mar 06, 2025 5:44 pm Can someone explain to me what the "street boss: of the Chicago Outfit does, and how he ranks vis a vis the boss and underboss?
No member source ever identified “street boss” as a position. Nick Calabrese mentioned no such thing in his 2007 testimony and the 2005 Federal indictments for the Family Secrets case, which laid out the organizational structure of the Chicago LCN Family made no mention of it either. Neither did the debriefing on Chicago LCN to Congress in the ‘80s by then Chicago FBI FO SAC Ed Hegarty.

A number of LE documents used “street boss” as well as “crew boss” to denote a captain of a crew. These were largely derived from intel from non-member CIs/CWs and reflect the casual usage on the street by non-member associates and those more peripherally connected to the mob. We know from several member sources, however, that within the actual Chicago LCN organization itself, this position was in fact called “capodecina/capo/captain”, same as anywhere else.

We know that in some other Families, “street boss” typically denotes a member who serves as something like a liaison between the boss/UB and the captains, as a further layer of insulation for the admin. This isn’t a formal position, but rather a role or set of responsibilities (similar to how Families might use a member as a liaison/“messaggero” to another Family, but that isn’t a formal position within the mafia organizational structure). Chicago may well at times have used a captain to act in this manner, but if so, we have no source that tells us they called this role “street boss”.

If you are referring to stuff like when Scott B refers to Albie Vena as “the street boss of the Chicago outfit”, then you’d need to ask him where he derived this from and what exactly he means by it, as I don’t have the slightest clue.

Re: General Mob Questions

by Ivan » Thu Mar 06, 2025 5:44 pm

Can someone explain to me what the "street boss: of the Chicago Outfit does, and how he ranks vis a vis the boss and underboss?

Re: General Mob Questions

by Nurzhamba » Wed Feb 19, 2025 1:15 am

OcSleeper wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 12:53 am Detailed enough? (Not in a sarcastic way)
viewtopic.php?p=268556&hilit=Sciascia+d ... nx#p268556
Yes, thank you, that's enough. It's amazing that they weren't caught immediately after the murder, it seems to me that it was too open.

Re: General Mob Questions

by OcSleeper » Wed Feb 19, 2025 12:53 am

Detailed enough? (Not in a sarcastic way)
viewtopic.php?p=268556&hilit=Sciascia+d ... nx#p268556

Re: General Mob Questions

by Nurzhamba » Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:54 pm

Is there any information about how the murder of Gerlando Sciascia was committed in detail?

Re: General Mob Questions

by Roose » Sat Feb 15, 2025 3:11 pm

What’s the status of the Stidda nowadays?

Re: General Mob Questions

by B. » Fri Feb 14, 2025 1:47 pm

Medicated wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 1:34 pm Does anyone happen to know if there's any formal protocol for handling introductions where the person in question isn't a made man, but is formally inducted in some other Italian OC group? I imagine that if, say, a Buffalo member is introduced to an inducted 'Ndranghetista from Toronto there's probably a need to have a way to note that rather than just calling him 'a friend of mine' or whatever.
I've never come across an example. They can't officially recognize each other as "u stessa cosa" but I'm sure it is informally communicated in some way. These guys don't meet in a vacuum so someone who knows them both would surely mention that a guy is affiliated with and important within another Italian organization.

Re: General Mob Questions

by Medicated » Wed Feb 12, 2025 1:34 pm

Does anyone happen to know if there's any formal protocol for handling introductions where the person in question isn't a made man, but is formally inducted in some other Italian OC group? I imagine that if, say, a Buffalo member is introduced to an inducted 'Ndranghetista from Toronto there's probably a need to have a way to note that rather than just calling him 'a friend of mine' or whatever.

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