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Re: Members made in their teens

by jimmyb » Tue Oct 24, 2023 9:42 pm

I'm not positive. Angelo, Rick, and Eric may have better memories on this, but Papa John Priziola and Tony D'Anna may have been made in their teens (Detroit)

Re: Members made in their teens

by Southshore88 » Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:03 pm

PolackTony wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 8:04 pm
Southshore88 wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:08 pm
Pmac2 wrote: Thu Sep 28, 2023 6:38 pm Barney 20 21. Frank loc 22 23. Scarpa 21 barney may have been the youngest alive today.
How old was Baldo Amato when he was made? Was he made here or in Sicily?
Baldo Amato (25 yo) Cesare Bonventre (26 yo) were both made in 1977 at a verbal-only ceremony officiated by Galante.
Thanks for sharing Tony. Much appreciated

Re: Members made in their teens

by Strax » Sun Oct 01, 2023 2:53 pm

In Sicily a lot of them are made in their teens, 'Ndrangheta doesn't have the ritual but once you are born into family , you get 'giovane d’onore' rank.

Re: Members made in their teens

by furiofromnaples » Sun Oct 01, 2023 2:39 pm

Salvatore Buscetta the famous rat was made at 17 years in Porta Nuova family.

Re: Members made in their teens

by B. » Sat Sep 30, 2023 8:48 pm

Strax wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 9:15 am Wasn't Carlo Gambino made in Sicily when he was like 18?
I'm not aware of any sources who can say exactly when Gambino was made or whether it was in the US or Sicily. He was no doubt made by the time of the Castellammarese War when Valachi knew him to be a "boss" (he was officially a soldier) though Valachi was told by Maranzano that Paolo Gambino was not yet made at the time so being a Gambino didn't guarantee membership right away.

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Many Sicilian-born guys from that generation and older came to the US around age 17, maybe because that age was when they were "officially" seen as grown men ready to enter the new world and work, etc., and it's likely some of them were already members or would soon join.

I believe the recruitment philosophy changed quite a bit over the years. In the modern age (definitely 1970s-today and arguably back to the 1950s) it seems recruits are expected to already embody the qualities of a made member and to have proven themselves over many years. In the early days having the right attitude and personal qualities was important but unlike today these young men were allowed to "grow into" their membership after being made.

Of course coming from an established clan and committing murder were more common back then. Many of these young guys may have assisted with murders at a young age which helped speed up the process. That was the case with Giovanni Riina who in the US would have no doubt been made based on who his father was alone but his uncle made it a point to have him participate in murders to qualify for membership.

People have often criticized Scarfo for inducting many young men but Scarfo himself was made young and as this thread shows it was once accepted to induct 16 and 17-year-olds in Philadelphia so the 20-somethings made by Scarfo were part of a longstanding tradition. Many of the young members Scarfo made were much like the older generations in that they came from mafia families / clans and were more than willing to commit murder without hesitation.

Re: Members made in their teens

by Antiliar » Sat Sep 30, 2023 1:02 pm

PolackTony wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:35 am
Antiliar wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 8:59 am
Ivan wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:36 am
PolackTony wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:11 am
Ivan wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:44 am Teets Battaglia was like 25 when made, wasn't he?
I’m not aware of a source that proves when Battaglia was made, unless there is something I’m blanking on ATM. While he is one of the guys I would think was made relatively young, he plausibly could have been made any time from the 30s to the 50s.
Antiliar has him made in 1929 in the first post in this thread: viewtopic.php?t=6692&hilit=battaglia
Joe Fosco said Teets was made by Capone. Willie Messino was his source for a lot of information. My own opinion had been that he was made in the early to mid-1930s, after Capone was sent to Alcatraz.
Thanks for the source. Did Fosco say 1929, as opposed to, say, 1931?
Yes. He said Battaglia was almost a teenager when he was made, but since he was born in 1908 the earliest he could have been made was 1928 when he was around 20. I doubt he was made that early. Personally, I feel more comfortable with 1931 than 1929, which is why I added a question mark.

Re: Members made in their teens

by PolackTony » Sat Sep 30, 2023 11:35 am

Antiliar wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 8:59 am
Ivan wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:36 am
PolackTony wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:11 am
Ivan wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:44 am Teets Battaglia was like 25 when made, wasn't he?
I’m not aware of a source that proves when Battaglia was made, unless there is something I’m blanking on ATM. While he is one of the guys I would think was made relatively young, he plausibly could have been made any time from the 30s to the 50s.
Antiliar has him made in 1929 in the first post in this thread: viewtopic.php?t=6692&hilit=battaglia
Joe Fosco said Teets was made by Capone. Willie Messino was his source for a lot of information. My own opinion had been that he was made in the early to mid-1930s, after Capone was sent to Alcatraz.
Thanks for the source. Did Fosco say 1929, as opposed to, say, 1931?

Re: Members made in their teens

by LarryC » Sat Sep 30, 2023 10:16 am

Strax wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 9:15 am Wasn't Carlo Gambino made in Sicily when he was like 18?
Many were made in Sicily in their teens, especially in the 80's.

Re: Members made in their teens

by Strax » Sat Sep 30, 2023 9:15 am

Wasn't Carlo Gambino made in Sicily when he was like 18?

Re: Members made in their teens

by Antiliar » Sat Sep 30, 2023 8:59 am

Ivan wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:36 am
PolackTony wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:11 am
Ivan wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:44 am Teets Battaglia was like 25 when made, wasn't he?
I’m not aware of a source that proves when Battaglia was made, unless there is something I’m blanking on ATM. While he is one of the guys I would think was made relatively young, he plausibly could have been made any time from the 30s to the 50s.
Antiliar has him made in 1929 in the first post in this thread: viewtopic.php?t=6692&hilit=battaglia
Joe Fosco said Teets was made by Capone. Willie Messino was his source for a lot of information. My own opinion had been that he was made in the early to mid-1930s, after Capone was sent to Alcatraz.

Re: Members made in their teens

by furiofromnaples » Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:31 am

John Gotti jr was 24 y old when was made in 1988.

Re: Members made in their teens

by Antiliar » Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:14 am

antimafia wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:41 pm If Dave Critchley (ukthesis) and Rick (Antiliar) are following this thread, I’d like to hear from them why there is uncertainty about the age at which Nick Gentile (b. 1885) — before moving from his native Siculiana to the US in 1903 — was initiated into the Porto Empedocle cosca. Repeating what is written in Gentile’s memoir, Critchley writes that Gentile joined a US Family in Philadelphia in 1905 but also that Gentile never provides an indication as to when he was initiated in Sicily before moving to the US.
B is correct. There's nothing in any of his writings that suggests that Gentile was first made in Sicily. If he had been made in Sicily he would have just transferred to a different borgata like he did several times afterward.

Re: Members made in their teens

by B. » Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:09 pm

antimafia wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:41 pm If Dave Critchley (ukthesis) and Rick (Antiliar) are following this thread, I’d like to hear from them why there is uncertainty about the age at which Nick Gentile (b. 1885) — before moving from his native Siculiana to the US in 1903 — was initiated into the Porto Empedocle cosca. Repeating what is written in Gentile’s memoir, Critchley writes that Gentile joined a US Family in Philadelphia in 1905 but also that Gentile never provides an indication as to when he was initiated in Sicily before moving to the US.
I'm not aware of any info he provided that suggests he was made in Sicily before the US. He says in his memoir he was made in Philadelphia at age 21 and had been a member for eight years when he moved to Pittsburgh and proposed Gregorio Conti's nephew for membership in the 1910s. He later transferred to the Porto Empedocle Family for a time but gives no indication he was a member in Sicily before entering the US. He understood the Sicilian and US mafia to be one international organization and transferred between them but his initiation was in the US.

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Unrelated to the above, Cheech already made a thread for members made in their 20s. That list is endless especially pre-1970s so I'd rather avoid discussing that here unless there is question as to whether someone was in their teens or twenties when they were made.

Re: Members made in their teens

by Pmac2 » Fri Sep 29, 2023 3:13 pm

I mean 18 to 21 isn't that much of a difference

Re: Members made in their teens

by Pmac2 » Fri Sep 29, 2023 3:13 pm

Maybe a handful of guys were made in there teens in the USA I would bet less then 5

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