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by **Doobeez** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:36 pm

oops...we apparently posted basically the same thing, rayray...

by **Doobeez** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:35 pm

Teflon john wrote:Also i would bet even though unsanctioned ,nobody did anything about cause everyone knew Castellano couldn't hold up to serious prison time,he would have ratted faster than Henry Hill.

Or, they didn't do anything because the entire Commission was on trial, not to mention a big piece of the Bonanno's who were still reeling from Donnie Brasco.

JMO, Chin may have been too smart to make his move at that time. But, fast forward a couple years, and Frankie goes boom. Plus, and as Pogo noted, the info about the hit on Gotti comes about.

by **rayray** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:29 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote:
Teflon john wrote:everyone knew Castellano couldn't hold up to serious prison time,he would have ratted faster than Henry Hill.
I love it how people know who 'rats' are who've never ratted.

I don't buy he would have ratted, more like the jig was up for almost the whole commission. After the commission case, think about who Gigante was left with on the commission level. Castellano knew where it was going, one of two places...he said it on tape. Maybe if Amuso/Casso didn't decide to wipe out everyone in their own family Gotti and crew would have been taken out for what they did to the boss.

by **Doobeez** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:25 pm

^^Forgot to mention the Patriarca/Zirelli(sp)/Boston thread as well with some nice info on CG and the Gambino's.

by **Doobeez** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:22 pm

rayray wrote:I forgot about Joe Colombo, I guess there is always a possibility that the commission wasn't happy how public the guy was and it could have been sanctioned in order to get out of the limelight. I thought he was asked to take a step back?

I always thought Albert Anastasia's murder was sanctioned due to his erratic behavior?

Bad for business. Gravano mentioned how the Families supported the first big rally, closed the docks supposedly, but they also supposedly stood down on the second one. I agree with some opinions that Gambino was behind the move on Colombo, or he at least gave his OK...a la Funzi with Caponigro. B posted the Biondo/Patriarca transcripts, and man, Carlo Gambino was a wily motherfucker who played the OC game to the fullest. Some info in there also mentioning Carl and Tommy Brown who seemed to "favor" the Gallos.

I believe they really played up AA selling buttons as why they went ahead without the OK...that and greed and power. Them not making any members forever sorta goes along with it. Who knows, maybe Albert was just bad for business too.

by **SonnyBlackstein** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:46 pm

Teflon john wrote:everyone knew Castellano couldn't hold up to serious prison time,he would have ratted faster than Henry Hill.

I love it how people know who 'rats' are who've never ratted.

by **toto** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:33 pm

Teflon john wrote:I guarantee the Joe Columbo hit was sanctioned. He was stirring the pot too much with his civil rights crap. Also i would bet even though unsanctioned ,nobody did anything about cause everyone knew Castellano couldn't hold up to serious prison time,he would have ratted faster than Henry Hill.

by **Hailbritain** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:14 pm

That's pretty much commission approved then pogo ha ha

by **Wiseguy** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:59 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote:I think it was just consolidation by NY. Philly and Detrot were only added in the early 60s to relieve some of the tension that was brewing between Commission members at the time. Even they never really did have much infleunce on it (Philly pretty much jst voted however Gambino wanted). By the mid 70s they were no longer needed. By then Buffalo had also fallen apart and was a lot weaker than it used to be so they were dumped.

Pogo

Yeah, the way Capeci describes it, part of the reason was that the bosses that succeeded those guys that died didn't really have the same clout in the eyes of NY and the latter didn't feel compelled to give their successors a seat.

by **Teflon john** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:31 pm

I guarantee the Joe Columbo hit was sanctioned. He was stirring the pot too much with his civil rights crap. Also i would bet even though unsanctioned ,nobody did anything about cause everyone knew Castellano couldn't hold up to serious prison time,he would have ratted faster than Henry Hill.

by **Pogo The Clown** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:53 am

rayray wrote:I always thought Albert Anastasia's murder was sanctioned due to his erratic behavior?

According to Bonanno it was never sanctioned by the Commission. It was just Genovese, Lucchese and Gambino acting on their own.

Pogo

by **rayray** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:47 am

I forgot about Joe Colombo, I guess there is always a possibility that the commission wasn't happy how public the guy was and it could have been sanctioned in order to get out of the limelight. I thought he was asked to take a step back?

I always thought Albert Anastasia's murder was sanctioned due to his erratic behavior?

by **Pogo The Clown** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:34 am

I think it was just consolidation by NY. Philly and Detrot were only added in the early 60s to relieve some of the tension that was brewing between Commission members at the time. Even they never really did have much infleunce on it (Philly pretty much jst voted however Gambino wanted). By the mid 70s they were no longer needed. By then Buffalo had also fallen apart and was a lot weaker than it used to be so they were dumped.

Pogo

by **phatmatress777** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:24 am

Pogo The Clown wrote:Actually Bruno was no longer on the Commission when he was killed. In 1976/7 Philly, Buffalo and Detroit lost their seats on the Commission.

You can add the killing of Vincent Mangano and Albert Anastasia to the unsanctioned list. I doubt the Joe Colombo hit was sanctioned either.

Pogo

why did they loose they're seats? I also thought leonetti said that scarfo had a seat on the commission as well

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by **Pogo The Clown** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:49 am

Actually Bruno was no longer on the Commission when he was killed. In 1976/7 Philly, Buffalo and Detroit lost their seats on the Commission.

You can add the killing of Vincent Mangano and Albert Anastasia to the unsanctioned list. I doubt the Joe Colombo hit was sanctioned either.

Pogo

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