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Re: Gangland August 3rd 2023

by Tonyd621 » Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:05 pm

slimshady_007 wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:07 pm
PolackTony wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:58 pm
newera_212 wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:20 pm What's kind of funny is that Joe C inadvertently caused this. If the factional leadership rift thing didn't happen, it'd be less likely that Mancuso and Spirito would come home and hit the ground running like they did . They understandably needed to show they were around and running things, taking charge, all that...the whole captains voting against him in a garage thing, low key, backed Mancuso into a corner.

The evidence of all the meets and public sightings of Mancuso with Spirito specifically, seemed the most egregious to me. Almost ridiculous. You'd think even if they needed to move around, they'd know to stay away from one another or figure out something better than what they were doing. Weren't they codefendants on their original case that led to this supervised release? Spirito was probably top 3 on Mancuso's "no contact" list by the Feds
I agree, which makes me think that meeting in plain view in public may have been some show of solidarity on their part; i.e., was performative and not just a matter of convenience or laziness. Hard to imagine that they couldn’t just have had a couple of guys without felony records to act as go-betweens. It’s either that or Mancuso and Spirito are as dumb as two sacks of rocks, and — in spite of whatever failings in morals and temperament the man may have — you don’t get to be where Mancuso is and be that dumb.
I think it was laziness. Mikey was like fuck it I’ll put on a hat & sunglasses then nobody will recognize me. Lol. However I understand why they wouldn’t use a go-between guy. Whatever’s being discussed by Spirito & Nose could’ve been sensitive info that they didn’t want anyone knowing about.
Maybe they were going over the pros and cons of Lasik eye surgery

Re: Gangland August 3rd 2023

by CabriniGreen » Sun Aug 06, 2023 4:44 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 9:49 pm A great page two all. Great thoughts, contributions. Enjoyed the read, cheers.

A few points worth reinforcing: they knew what the score was and wanted to reinforce the protocol consequences be damned.
Joe C in fracturing the family resulted in the current admin needing to reinforce blah blah..

Great ideas, posts by all.
That's my take from it too. He solidified control.....you have to be present.

Interesting thing right now in Sicily. The Sorrentino family is challenging Calvaruso for leadership of Pagliarelli. One of the main reasons is he's not present. He's in Brazil.

Re: Gangland August 3rd 2023

by Uncle Pete » Sat Aug 05, 2023 10:30 am

“With all due respect Carmine, that's why you need to get out there. Put your ear to the street, let the guys see you take the reigns.”

Re: Gangland August 3rd 2023

by slimshady_007 » Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:07 pm

PolackTony wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:58 pm
newera_212 wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:20 pm What's kind of funny is that Joe C inadvertently caused this. If the factional leadership rift thing didn't happen, it'd be less likely that Mancuso and Spirito would come home and hit the ground running like they did . They understandably needed to show they were around and running things, taking charge, all that...the whole captains voting against him in a garage thing, low key, backed Mancuso into a corner.

The evidence of all the meets and public sightings of Mancuso with Spirito specifically, seemed the most egregious to me. Almost ridiculous. You'd think even if they needed to move around, they'd know to stay away from one another or figure out something better than what they were doing. Weren't they codefendants on their original case that led to this supervised release? Spirito was probably top 3 on Mancuso's "no contact" list by the Feds
I agree, which makes me think that meeting in plain view in public may have been some show of solidarity on their part; i.e., was performative and not just a matter of convenience or laziness. Hard to imagine that they couldn’t just have had a couple of guys without felony records to act as go-betweens. It’s either that or Mancuso and Spirito are as dumb as two sacks of rocks, and — in spite of whatever failings in morals and temperament the man may have — you don’t get to be where Mancuso is and be that dumb.
I think it was laziness. Mikey was like fuck it I’ll put on a hat & sunglasses then nobody will recognize me. Lol. However I understand why they wouldn’t use a go-between guy. Whatever’s being discussed by Spirito & Nose could’ve been sensitive info that they didn’t want anyone knowing about.

Re: Gangland August 3rd 2023

by slimshady_007 » Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:02 pm

Little_Al1991 wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:36 am
AntComello wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:36 am Thanks for posting…if Spirito is also on Supervised release why isn’t he in trouble for meeting with wiseguys?
They charged Mancuso 2 days before his supervised release ended
They’ll get Spirito soon. Not sure as to why they’re waiting
I think it’s because Spirito is a top target in the FBI’s Bonanno investigation. If he’s meeting with the boss, then he’s likely meeting with some capos/guys kicking up $.

Re: Gangland August 3rd 2023

by newera_212 » Fri Aug 04, 2023 9:47 pm

bluehouse wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:37 pm Is there a way for mancuso to do extra time and be off probabtion after he does the time?I think that would be a better move for him
That's a good question. I'm not positive, but I don't think he'd be able to do that now on a violation of supervised release. It seems like something that would need to be worked out as a part of a plea deal on the original sentence. I don't think you can start chiseling years or start wheeling and dealing when it comes to these parole violations, but I could be wrong. Maybe he can haggle with them on when he actually has to report to prison, but something like what you mentioned may need to be established before actual sentencing.

Re: Gangland August 3rd 2023

by Browniety86 » Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:58 pm

Teflon Dom wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:01 pm
johnny_scootch wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 9:50 am
SonnyBlackstein wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 7:23 am Amazing that Spirito and Mancuso would think the Feds wouldn't try and VOSR the Boss and Underboss of a family on probation.
These two muppets walk and talk 36 times.

Thanks for the post
They're stupid, they don't give a fuck about jail! That's their business, it's what they do.
For instance tomorrow morning ill get up nice and early, take a walk down over to the local restaurant and... walk in and see and uh... if you don't have my money for me, I'll... crack your f***in' head wide-open in front of everybody in the restaurant. And just about the time that I'm comin' out of jail in 11 months after meeting with made men in public hopefully, you'll be coming out of your coma. And guess what? I'll split your f***in' head open again.
Cause I'm stupid...I dont give a fuck about jail...that's my business

Re: Gangland August 3rd 2023

by Teflon Dom » Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:01 pm

johnny_scootch wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 9:50 am
SonnyBlackstein wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 7:23 am Amazing that Spirito and Mancuso would think the Feds wouldn't try and VOSR the Boss and Underboss of a family on probation.
These two muppets walk and talk 36 times.

Thanks for the post
They're stupid, they don't give a fuck about jail! That's their business, it's what they do.
For instance tomorrow morning ill get up nice and early, take a walk down over to the local restaurant and... walk in and see and uh... if you don't have my money for me, I'll... crack your f***in' head wide-open in front of everybody in the restaurant. And just about the time that I'm comin' out of jail in 11 months after meeting with made men in public hopefully, you'll be coming out of your coma. And guess what? I'll split your f***in' head open again.

Re: Gangland August 3rd 2023

by bluehouse » Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:37 pm

Is there a way for mancuso to do extra time and be off probabtion after he does the time?I think that would be a better move for him

Re: Gangland August 3rd 2023

by Pmac2 » Fri Aug 04, 2023 5:27 am

Jerry's still the best to ever do it. Thanks for posting the column

Re: Gangland August 3rd 2023

by Cheech » Fri Aug 04, 2023 4:50 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:18 pm Biding his time in the shadows, Joe C knew his time to strike had come!
Ya but what kind of t shirt is he wearing around port jeff?

Re: Gangland August 3rd 2023

by SonnyBlackstein » Thu Aug 03, 2023 9:49 pm

A great page two all. Great thoughts, contributions. Enjoyed the read, cheers.

A few points worth reinforcing: they knew what the score was and wanted to reinforce the protocol consequences be damned.
Joe C in fracturing the family resulted in the current admin needing to reinforce blah blah..

Great ideas, posts by all.

Re: Gangland August 3rd 2023

by PolackTony » Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:58 pm

newera_212 wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:20 pm What's kind of funny is that Joe C inadvertently caused this. If the factional leadership rift thing didn't happen, it'd be less likely that Mancuso and Spirito would come home and hit the ground running like they did . They understandably needed to show they were around and running things, taking charge, all that...the whole captains voting against him in a garage thing, low key, backed Mancuso into a corner.

The evidence of all the meets and public sightings of Mancuso with Spirito specifically, seemed the most egregious to me. Almost ridiculous. You'd think even if they needed to move around, they'd know to stay away from one another or figure out something better than what they were doing. Weren't they codefendants on their original case that led to this supervised release? Spirito was probably top 3 on Mancuso's "no contact" list by the Feds
I agree, which makes me think that meeting in plain view in public may have been some show of solidarity on their part; i.e., was performative and not just a matter of convenience or laziness. Hard to imagine that they couldn’t just have had a couple of guys without felony records to act as go-betweens. It’s either that or Mancuso and Spirito are as dumb as two sacks of rocks, and — in spite of whatever failings in morals and temperament the man may have — you don’t get to be where Mancuso is and be that dumb.

Re: Gangland August 3rd 2023

by newera_212 » Thu Aug 03, 2023 8:20 pm

What's kind of funny is that Joe C inadvertently caused this. If the factional leadership rift thing didn't happen, it'd be less likely that Mancuso and Spirito would come home and hit the ground running like they did . They understandably needed to show they were around and running things, taking charge, all that...the whole captains voting against him in a garage thing, low key, backed Mancuso into a corner.

The evidence of all the meets and public sightings of Mancuso with Spirito specifically, seemed the most egregious to me. Almost ridiculous. You'd think even if they needed to move around, they'd know to stay away from one another or figure out something better than what they were doing. Weren't they codefendants on their original case that led to this supervised release? Spirito was probably top 3 on Mancuso's "no contact" list by the Feds

Re: Gangland August 3rd 2023

by Ivan » Thu Aug 03, 2023 7:19 pm

Hired_Goonz wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:06 pm Find someone who loves you like Capeci loves that "put some meat on the bone" line.
I know right? I'm so sick of all this gay judge/lawyer worship shit Capeci hand cranks his own sausage over, like these nerds are supposed to be so colorful and entertaining or whatever. Enough already!

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