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by **Sullycantwell** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:57 pm

wanted to bump this thread since its been a while. Has any new info been found to shed light on the term?

by **Villain** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:06 am

Frank wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:16 pm
Confederate wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:26 pm
Frank wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:56 pm Yes it was over drugs. Either that or he really liked that condo in Florida lol. Villain has alot of info showing how powerful Alex was in the Outfit, even though he was not made. He was on the ruling panel till Aiuppa became boss.
Alex was always in the Top 4 of the Outfit after Humphreys died. He was a High Level member of the Outfit. Didn't matter if he was not a made guy in the National LCN. The other 3 top guys took care of that protocol.

I think Villain now owns part of the MF Foundation.
Yes and fir awhile he was in the top 3, when he was on the ruling panel with Accardo and Aiuppa until they thought Aiuppa was ready to be boss.

In addition, and I always mention this when the "Alex" subject comes along, according to one FBI report, in May, 1974, Aiuppa suffered from a serious affliction that involved arthritis in his knees, and has been unable to function due to his lack of capacity to move around. At the same time period, Accardo also spent some time in Palm Springs, while Nicoletti began having problems with his peers at the top and was about to get shelved the next year or so. My point is that during this brief period of several months, Alex was the only boss on the top administration that took care of day to day operations. The report also says that in fact Alex’s brother Sam was the one who delivered the messages between his brother and Aiuppa, since Sam resided approximately one mile from Aiuppa’s residence in Oak Brook, Illinois.

by **Frank** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:16 pm

Confederate wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:26 pm
Frank wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:56 pm Yes it was over drugs. Either that or he really liked that condo in Florida lol. Villain has alot of info showing how powerful Alex was in the Outfit, even though he was not made. He was on the ruling panel till Aiuppa became boss.
Alex was always in the Top 4 of the Outfit after Humphreys died. He was a High Level member of the Outfit. Didn't matter if he was not a made guy in the National LCN. The other 3 top guys took care of that protocol.

I think Villain now owns part of the MF Foundation.

Yes and fir awhile he was in the top 3, when he was on the ruling panel with Accardo and Aiuppa until they thought Aiuppa was ready to be boss.

by **Confederate** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:26 pm

Frank wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:56 pm Yes it was over drugs. Either that or he really liked that condo in Florida lol. Villain has alot of info showing how powerful Alex was in the Outfit, even though he was not made. He was on the ruling panel till Aiuppa became boss.

Alex was always in the Top 4 of the Outfit after Humphreys died. He was a High Level member of the Outfit. Didn't matter if he was not a made guy in the National LCN. The other 3 top guys took care of that protocol.

I think Villain now owns part of the MF Foundation.

by **Frank** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:56 pm

Yes it was over drugs. Either that or he really liked that condo in Florida lol. Villain has alot of info showing how powerful Alex was in the Outfit, even though he was not made. He was on the ruling panel till Aiuppa became boss.

by **Confederate** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:40 pm

Villain can explain why Nicoletti got killed. Yes, Alex was pushing for it.
Yes, Nicoletti was one of the Big 4 Underbosses but he was first among equals (Like Ferraro).

by **Frank** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:35 pm

Villain wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:23 pm Interesting to note is that during the early 70's, while being the number two guy, Nicoletti was also allegedly in charge of the hit squad or the "Blazers" as they were called https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... ti_blazers

That's an interesting piece of information. Nicoletti was in charge of some pretty bad ass dudes. It also shows Gus Alex to be to be kind of indispensable leader in the loop and north side. It's interesting that Alex ended up basically if I remember correctly, the main guy in pushing for the hit on Nicoletti. Was Cerone getting out of prison the reason Nicoletti losing the #2 position or underboss position. Or was he maybe a Capo Squadrone? Also Dom DiBella looks like he had a position of a higher Capo. I assume Prio was dead. Prio definitely had more power than an average Capo. When boss Giancana sent hitmen to Florida to wack Esposito, he told them to not let Ross Prio see you down there. Hit was eventually stopped by Paul Ricca.

by **Confederate** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:16 pm

During the Giancana era, you could call Ferraro, Battaglia, Prio & La Porte "Capo Squadrones". Under them there were many District Bosses (Capos) like Buccieri, Cerone, Auippa, DiBella, etc. etc. who had Lieutenants under them who in turn supervised men working on the street level.
I never heard the term "Capo Squadrone" before but I like it.

by **Villain** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:23 pm

Interesting to note is that during the early 70's, while being the number two guy, Nicoletti was also allegedly in charge of the hit squad or the "Blazers" as they were called https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... ti_blazers

by **Frank** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:08 pm

Antiliar wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:43 am If we want to relate it to Chicago, Capo squadrone in the sense of having a team of hitters, then Joseph Ferriola was a Capo squadrone and the "squadrone" was "The Wild Bunch." If Capo squadrone means head of a powerful crew, then Buccieri and Battaglia were both Capo squadroni since their crews were the largest. Chicago Heights was large too, so that would be another one.

Yes and in Pittsburgh Family case it might have been the Boss of a group of crews that may at one time been misconstrued as Families. Or maybe they were different Families long ago. That could be Joe Ferriola's official title or equivalent to it. It seems like Chicago didn't really use alot of the Italian terms, but used English language titles. I think we all agree that even though he wasn't boss, he had great power and seemed like he was a cut above a regular Capo or Outfit equivalent. This probably confused LE. Wasn't he reffered to as the Outfits enforcer, before they thought he replaced Aiuppa??

by **Villain** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:02 pm

Antiliar wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:43 am If Capo squadrone means head of a powerful crew, then Buccieri and Battaglia were both Capo squadroni since their crews were the largest. Chicago Heights was large too, so that would be another one.

Exactly!

For example, during the Giancana era there were four capo squadroni, including Ferraro, Battaglia, Prio and LaPorte. I think that during that period Battaglia had more power than Buccieri, since the second one began climbing up the ladder in 1963 when he was invited by Ferraro and Alex in the Loop and Near South Side areas.

by **Antiliar** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:43 am

If we want to relate it to Chicago, Capo squadrone in the sense of having a team of hitters, then Joseph Ferriola was a Capo squadrone and the "squadrone" was "The Wild Bunch." If Capo squadrone means head of a powerful crew, then Buccieri and Battaglia were both Capo squadroni since their crews were the largest. Chicago Heights was large too, so that would be another one.

by **Villain** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:22 am

Thanks for all of the additional infos guys

It seems that Chicago wasnt the only family with these so-called territorial bosses or "capo squadrone" who in turn had more power or seniority over the rest of the crew bosses or capo regimes by controlling larger territories and various operations

by **Selig** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:40 am

"Clearly"

by **Selig** » Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:39 am

I think that was a misunderstanding by the ci who gave the information. Some Capos clearing have higher status than others.

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