B. wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 1:08 am
- On the mid-1964 recording of the Milwaukee consiglio, they discuss how Tucson is a Bonanno decina rather than its own borgata and "Joe" (not Caminiti) compares it to a "La Rosa" who was once a remote capodecina under Milwaukee. There was a Tony LaRosa who was a meat wholesaler associated with the Family but he lived in Milwaukee and was a suspected police informant, doesn't seem to have even been a member. Anyone know of any LaRosas or a similar name that were connected to Milwaukee but lived remotely?
Since the comparison is with the Bonanno Family's Arizona decina, this Milwakee decina must have been some distance away. Tom LoBue comes to mind who was ID'd by Maniaci as a former capodecina in the 1920s-30s and he moved to California later but there's no indication he was ever a capodecina there. "LaRosa" and LoBue don't sound alike but do both start similarly and there were multiple Milwaukee members in California at various points which could lend itself to a decina once existing. The California-based members I'm aware of over the years are: Minetto Clementi Oliveri (shelved), Francesco Balistrieri, Pietro Balistrieri (suspected member?), and LoBue. Frank Bomp also ID'd Phil Damiano as a Milwaukee member living in CA when he first began cooperating but later said he was made with Rockford (which Maniaci said too) then transferred to LA. There was also Dr. Salvatore Megna, Milwaukee member who moved to Arizona.
- There is an unrelated reference much later in the conversation to contacting a capodecina, then some short unintelligible comments, followed by mention of Minnesota in connection with this. Nothing to suggest they had a captain in MN but does suggest Milwaukee was involved there in some way. We know that Madison member Vincent Troia once lived in Minnesota.
- Even though Augie Maniaci told the FBI the Milwaukee "outfit" came from the old "mafia" and exclusively uses the term "outfit" to refer to Milwaukee, during this meeting they consistently use "Family" to refer to themselves and at one point an attendee refers to their organization as the "Mafia". Just pointing this out because it shows many terms were in use and Maniaci's take (or the FBI's interpretation of it) isn't the only word on how the Family was referred to. Balistrieri also refers to Sam Giancana as the "representative" of Chicago but it's translated from Sicilian so he was referring to him as "rappresentante". Shouldn't be a surprise to anyone but since people still create fantasy ranks in Chicago (top boss, bottom boss, boss-boss) this lays it out very clear that Giancana was the rappresentante officiale.
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The 1964 meeting is explicitly referred to by Joe Caminiti as a "meeting of the chair", but it's translated from Sicilian so he would have used the same term Maniaci used to describe it, "seggia". The attendees as interpreted by the FBI were:
- Frank Balistrieri - Boss
- Joe Caminiti - Former capodecina and current or future underboss
- John Alioto - Capodecina, former boss
- Pete LNU (not Balistrieri)
- Joe LNU (likely Gumina) - If Gumina, former underboss/capodecina and future capodecina
- Phil LNU
- Nino LNU (probably Antonino Albano)
- Later they are joined by Peter Balistrieri and a "Tom". There were seven original attendees and the two others make nine. Pretty big for a consiglio so my guess is the first seven attendees were the actual council, which is already pretty big, and the other two were allowed to sit in. Most of the councils we're aware of had five seats and Milwaukee wasn't a large Family yet a lot of people had a voice as consiglieri.
- Not sure who a few of these guys could be. I'm not aware of another "Pete" except Pete Balistrieri but it's clear the individual referred to as "Pete" is separate from Pete Balistrieri. "Tom" could be Tom LoBue who as a former capodecina might have been welcome at a seggia meeting but he'd have to be visiting Milwaukee from California. It's possible "Tom" was a phonetic take on "Dom" but I'm only aware of Dominick Principe who was only made the year prior. Similarly, "Pete" and "Phil" could be misinterpretations of other names or were members otherwise unidentified by Maniaci and other sources.
- "Joe" could also be Joe Balistrieri as at one point Frank Balistrieri refers to someone as "Dad" but I think he's speaking to his father-in-law John Alioto. I'm not convinced Joe Balistrieri is there and there's a reference to Frank's father that suggests he might not be in attendance. The "Joe" at the meeting is very dominant and knowledgeable during the conversation, plus former underboss Joe Gumina would be promoted to capodecina replacing John Alioto within a year or two of this meeting so he was definitely still involved. Gumina was also identified as part of the seggia the following year...
- In 1965, the FBI identified the following members sitting on the seggia: Frank Balistrieri, Joseph Caminiti, John Alioto, Peter Balistrieri, Joseph Gumina, Michele 'Mike' Mineo and Vito Seidita. Mineo was a former capodecina who sat on the seggia when previous bosses were in charge according to Maniaci so either he was off the council for a time and returned or he was somehow confused for a "Pete" or "Phil". Vito Seidita could have been confused for one of those names as well, maybe "Pete". The FBI identifying 7 members of the seggia in 1965 lends itself to the 1964 seggia meeting having seven actual consiglieri and two additional visitors.
- Differences between the 1964 and 65 consiglio show that at the very least "Nino" lost his seat, with questions as to whether "Pete" and "Phil" were butchered names or individuals who also lost their seats.
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- With the above in mind, interesting to compare the 1964 and 1967 charts given by Maniaci:
1963
Boss - Frank Balistrieri
Underboss - Vacant
Consigliere - formerly Carlo Zarcone but Maniaci isn't sure he still holds it
Capodecina - John Alioto (crew of old timers)
Capodecina - Peter Balistrieri
1967
Boss - Frank Balistrieri
Underboss - Joe Caminiti
Consigliere - Vito Seidita?
Capodecina - Joe Gumina (crew of old timers)
Capodecina - Peter Balistrieri
- Maniaci said the 1967 hierarchy had been the same for one or two years previous so it goes back to 1965 or 66. He also said he was guessing Seidita was the consigliere because he was the "logical choice" but as with 1963 / Zarcone he doesn't seem to know who actually held the position of official consigliere. He doesn't have a problem identifying who holds the other ranks but consigliere was only vague to him.
- Interesting too that the position of capodecina over the elderly group was first held by a former boss then held by a former underboss. According to Maniaci, Gumina also once had a decina reporting to him while he was underboss. It's clear that members could go up and down in rank in Milwaukee.
- Comparing the 1963 hierarchy to the 1964 consiglio, you have the boss, the (soon to be?) underboss, and the capidecine attending (though unclear if Pete Balistrieri had an actual seat yet), but the other seats were held by soldiers. Carlo Zarcone was not on the consiglio in 1964 despite being the former consigliere but they do make reference to "Zaccone" (ph) on the tape, no doubt Zarcone.