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Re: Smaller families earning potential

by B. » Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:52 pm

One of the best lines right there.

Re: Smaller families earning potential

by Pete » Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:04 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote:
Pete wrote:I believe in the current economic climate

I don't wanna hear about the fucking economy! I don't wanna hear it. Break it down for them. What two businesses have traditionally been recession proof since time immemorial?


Pogo
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Smaller families earning potential

by Pogo The Clown » Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:12 pm

It died on the vine. The guy, he moved or something.


Pogo

Re: Smaller families earning potential

by SonnyBlackstein » Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:51 pm

Jeezus Pogo, it died on the vine!






:mrgreen:

Re: Smaller families earning potential

by Pogo The Clown » Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:15 am

Hailbritain wrote:Certain aspects of show business and our thing ??

Now, that's it, that's all I got to say. Frankly, I'm depressed and ashamed.


Pogo

Re: Smaller families earning potential

by Hailbritain » Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:12 am

Certain aspects of show business and our thing ??

Re: Smaller families earning potential

by Pogo The Clown » Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:09 am

Pete wrote:I believe in the current economic climate

I don't wanna hear about the fucking economy! I don't wanna hear it. Break it down for them. What two businesses have traditionally been recession proof since time immemorial?


Pogo

Re: Smaller families earning potential

by Eddie mush » Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:34 am

Chucky wrote:
Eddie mush wrote:My question is more can these guys in smaller families really make life changing money ( for convo sake let's say 300K a year or more ) ?
If I am risking my freedom I wanna be making serious cash. Not going to the can for 100K a year wen I make more than that now working for a living
But these guys don't work for a living, that's what you're missing. If a guy is making a $100k a year with barely a high school education then why would he "work for a living" when he doesn't have the ability to? I can think of plenty of guys in Philly who make or made serious money, and plenty of guys who live day to day...it's been that way forever.

Great points Chucky . I guess wen your a uneducated unskilled guy 100k with out working is much better than $40k breaking your back working construction .

Re: Smaller families earning potential

by B. » Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:32 am

The other side of this would be... how many guys in the old days were that rich? Hard to know how much money they were earning and where it all was going but I'm always surprised to find that a lot of these guys weren't as rich as they seem. I agree that the money the guys today are making is below what they made in their peak but it's easy to look at black and white pictures of guys in their old suits and figure they're all making tons of money.

In Philly the family has never been that sophisticated. Most of the members over the years have been small business owners who make their living from gambling and loansharking, sometimes drugs, basic labor racketeering, or some other short scam. At one point at least there was a street tax. They had control of Local 54 and influence in other unions at times, but no evidence they ever got the kind of money or power through it that other families got through unions. A few members many decades ago ran beer distributors but they don't seem to have been crazy rich, probably just exercised limited influence together to get beer sold.

Angelo Bruno was a successful businessman before he was a made member and continued to make investments which is where a good part of his wealth came from. In that Zerilli transcript I posted he is talking about how he's going broke because traveling for the Commission is taking him away from his business. He's gotta be exaggerating about going broke but still here's a guy who is boss for decades who wants to get back to running his source of legit income. Castellano was accused of being more businessman than boss, ran a large company. Tom Gagliano was said to have focused only on legitimate income. Maranzano was wealthy before he got into bootlegging. Most of these guys use the mob's influence to help their businesses when possible but they were still mainly businessmen.

It's a terrible time to be a street corner gangster. We live in a time of facial recognition software, tiny powerful microphones, digital recording, we can be tracked and hacked on our phones, etc. I was just talking to someone on here yesterday about how weed is getting legalized in some states and sportsbetting is right on the cusp also, so there are two potential sources of income that could be getting thinner in the near future. I've got no doubt that guys are having a harder time making money on the street these days. People have been saying for over 35 years that the mob is going to need to focus more on legitimate ventures if it wants to survive and I wouldn't be surprised if that's the biggest focus for a lot of guys now. It doesn't matter if you're the president of Lean Cuisine... if you're a mob boss, you're a mob boss. In the past though you'll see that a lot of the wealthiest guys have their legit income to thank as much if not more than their alleged street income.

Re: Smaller families earning potential

by Pete » Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:09 pm

Wiseguy wrote:There are millionaires in small families too. But, as I've said many times, big or small family most guys seem to be middle class, while you have a minority on either end of the spectrum - rich guys and brokesters.
I believe in the current economic climate for small families that the amount of brokesters far exceeds millionaires which are few and far between in small families. I'm sure there are many guys doing very well but actual millionaires? Not too many of them out there. As stated by someone else most of the guys at millionaire status did so through their legitimate dealings. Very few guys are making millions from traditional lcn endeavors like gambling and loan sharking. Hundreds of thousands yes but not millions

Re: Smaller families earning potential

by jimmyb » Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:53 pm

Not sure if you're strictly talking about earnings in the illegitimate economy (drugs, gambling, loan-sharking, larceny), but it seems that in Detroit, the big earners infiltrate the legit economy (trucking, sanitation, bars and restaurants, meat and produce etc.) .

An example would be a guy like Joey Giacalone. He bought land from Chrysler for $300,000, then sold it to the City of Detroit for $42.2 million. http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20 ... d-ideas-at

White Collar racketeering seem pretty lucrative for these guys.

Re: Smaller families earning potential

by Wiseguy » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:07 pm

There are millionaires in small families too. But, as I've said many times, big or small family most guys seem to be middle class, while you have a minority on either end of the spectrum - rich guys and brokesters.

Re: Smaller families earning potential

by cavita » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:20 pm

I have read the files on Joe Zito, the consigliere of Rockford, which was a small family in the Midwest. When he died in 1981 he left his wife Mary an estate valued at $252,189 of which $169,000 was in cash. This of course was in 1981 money and I'm sure did not include what he may have had on the street or that was intangible.

Re: Smaller families earning potential

by Ivan » Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:26 pm

Chucky wrote:But these guys don't work for a living, that's what you're missing.
Yeah, that's kind of the point of being a mobster. It's more about getting by comfortably without having to do the 9 to 5 thing than it is about getting rich. I remember Capeci in his Mafia Guide defined a mobster as someone who was willing to kill to avoid having to go to work. :)

Re: Smaller families earning potential

by SonnyBlackstein » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:46 am

Sure if you want to move drugs.

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