by Wiseguy » Sat May 04, 2019 9:46 am
Mason_dixon wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 8:39 pm
I would love to hear opinions on how active each of the 5 families are today. According to the news I have seen some arguments that the Bonannos may be the most active family today or the most sloppiest family today as they are constantly in the news. Also the strength of each family in manpower. Is Joe ac still acting boss after his acquittal? Or with Mike Mancuso our is he back down to Captain ? Here is my estimate on man pose of each family just my guesses from my sail reading:
Genovese: 200
Gambino: 180
Lucchese: 100
Bonanno: 100
Columbia: 50
Like I said these are all just my guesstimates if anyone has any more educated opinions I’d love to hear them.
Why go with your own estimate and guesses when you can go with official figures? This isn't the GBB forum,.
In the 2007 Danny Leo case, the government cited 200 estimated members for the Genovese family. In a 2014 Wall Street Journal article, the Genovese were said to be the largest with almost 200 estimated members.
In a 2005 article, Capeci had the Gambino family at 160-180 members. In the 2010 Danny Marino case, the government cited about 200 members for the Gambinos.
The 2014 WSJ article had the Lucchese family at about 100 members.
In his 2005 article, Capeci had the Colombo family at 75-85 members. The 2014 WSJ article had them at about 100 members.
The Bonanno family is a little harder to get a read on and there is some disagreement on the forum. As I've mentioned before, in 2001 the feds released a "no contact" list for Robert Lino of every known Bonanno member. There were 111 names on the list, including Lino's. In 2003, Frank Lino testified the family had 12 captains and 100 soldiers but both Massino and Vitale's figures were larger. In the 2006 Basciano case, wiretap evidence said the family had less than 100 soldiers. A more recent 2013 article estimated 100 members. The Bonannos appear to have more members than the other two smaller NY families but I have a hard time believing it's in the 130-150 range quoted by others at this point. Especially with all the members who have flipped and technically can't be replaced until they die.
StandUpGuy wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 5:51 am
The Bonnanos are easily around 130-150 made guys. They’ve made 30-40 guys in the last 7-8 years.
Basically the 5 families have around 750-800 made guys in the greater NYC area And thousands of associaties.
They are far away from dying and Will easily dominate organized crime for atleast another 20-30 years.
Going by most estimates, the NY families are at about 700 members. Add up another 200 or so members for the rest of the U.S. and it's about 900 members total.
eboli wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 12:38 am
If I have to make a guess based on the reports from the last 20 years and the charts we have on the forum:
1. Genovese - 200+, but less than 300
2. Gambino - 180-200
3. Bonanno - 120-130
4. Lucchese - 100-110
5. Colombo - 75-100
As gohn mentioned the Colombos had a good run in recent years and are quietly rebuilding as much as they can.
200 would be the ceiling for the Genovese family. Range wise, it appears to be something like this -
Genovese 185-200
Gambino 175-200
Bonanno 115-125
Lucchese 100-110
Colombo 75-100
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I would love to hear opinions on how active each of the 5 families are today. According to the news I have seen some arguments that the Bonannos may be the most active family today or the most sloppiest family today as they are constantly in the news. Also the strength of each family in manpower. Is Joe ac still acting boss after his acquittal? Or with Mike Mancuso our is he back down to Captain ? Here is my estimate on man pose of each family just my guesses from my sail reading:
Genovese: 200
Gambino: 180
Lucchese: 100
Bonanno: 100
Columbia: 50
Like I said these are all just my guesstimates if anyone has any more educated opinions I’d love to hear them.
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Why go with your own estimate and guesses when you can go with official figures? This isn't the GBB forum,.
In the 2007 Danny Leo case, the government cited 200 estimated members for the Genovese family. In a 2014 Wall Street Journal article, the Genovese were said to be the largest with almost 200 estimated members.
In a 2005 article, Capeci had the Gambino family at 160-180 members. In the 2010 Danny Marino case, the government cited about 200 members for the Gambinos.
The 2014 WSJ article had the Lucchese family at about 100 members.
In his 2005 article, Capeci had the Colombo family at 75-85 members. The 2014 WSJ article had them at about 100 members.
The Bonanno family is a little harder to get a read on and there is some disagreement on the forum. As I've mentioned before, in 2001 the feds released a "no contact" list for Robert Lino of every known Bonanno member. There were 111 names on the list, including Lino's. In 2003, Frank Lino testified the family had 12 captains and 100 soldiers but both Massino and Vitale's figures were larger. In the 2006 Basciano case, wiretap evidence said the family had less than 100 soldiers. A more recent 2013 article estimated 100 members. The Bonannos appear to have more members than the other two smaller NY families but I have a hard time believing it's in the 130-150 range quoted by others at this point. Especially with all the members who have flipped and technically can't be replaced until they die.
[quote=StandUpGuy post_id=108161 time=1556974318 user_id=5787]
The Bonnanos are easily around 130-150 made guys. They’ve made 30-40 guys in the last 7-8 years.
Basically the 5 families have around 750-800 made guys in the greater NYC area And thousands of associaties.
They are far away from dying and Will easily dominate organized crime for atleast another 20-30 years.
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Going by most estimates, the NY families are at about 700 members. Add up another 200 or so members for the rest of the U.S. and it's about 900 members total.
[quote=eboli post_id=108158 time=1556955503 user_id=4216]
If I have to make a guess based on the reports from the last 20 years and the charts we have on the forum:
1. Genovese - 200+, but less than 300
2. Gambino - 180-200
3. Bonanno - 120-130
4. Lucchese - 100-110
5. Colombo - 75-100
As gohn mentioned the Colombos had a good run in recent years and are quietly rebuilding as much as they can.
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200 would be the ceiling for the Genovese family. Range wise, it appears to be something like this -
Genovese 185-200
Gambino 175-200
Bonanno 115-125
Lucchese 100-110
Colombo 75-100