THE BLACK HAND FORUM

chin_gigante wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:39 pm
Additionally, in April 1965, DeCarlo was picked up by NK 2251-C* talking about how Rosario Mogavero had recently been made a captain, taking over from a ‘Patsy’ who died:

19. ‘Patsy’

This could be a reference to Pasquale Del Duca or perhaps to Vincenzo Altomari, both of whom had recently died. LCN Bios carries Altomari as a captain in the 1960s, with Joseph Lapi being a member of his crew who later reported to Mogavero. (See more: https://lcnbios.blogspot.com/2022/04/ge ... lapis.html).

Then there were also Generoso Del Duca and Pietro Dolce, who died in the early 1960s. SF 3208-C-TE (Lucchese member Carmine Taglialatella) told the FBI in 1969 that Del Duca and Dolce were both made captains in the late 1950s, receiving portions of the Miranda crew. Valachi also identified Del Duca as a captain. (See here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 22dolce%22).

Antiliar wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:55 pm Possible early member:

Pasquale (Patsy) Matranga
B: Nov 1, 1897, Monreale
POB: Monreale, Sicily
D: Jun 17, 1956
F: Carlo Matranga
M: UNK
Married: Providenza (Providence) Di Nicola
Children: Carmela, Mary, Charles, Rosalie, and Angelo

- Also testified that Sabio and "Dr. Noto" (Dr. Daniel Noto of Passaic, NJ, alleged Genovese Family caporegime) asked him to take the car to Luciano. Matranga said he picked up the car in front of Noto's office in Passaic.

Sdunn48 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 2:13 pm Genovese have always had 13 or 14 captains there was wiretap back in the 60s saying about money getting brought in for Vito while he was in jail off the 13 families meaning crews and fish cafaro statement in the 80s saying genovese family have always had 13 or 14 captains I just can’t remember thjnk it was 13 I no he got mixed up on few things but he would no how many crews there was

Sdunn48 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 2:13 pm Genovese have always had 13 or 14 captains there was wiretap back in the 60s saying about money getting brought in for Vito while he was in jail off the 13 families meaning crews and fish cafaro statement in the 80s saying genovese family have always had 13 or 14 captains I just can’t remember thjnk it was 13 I no he got mixed up on few things but he would no how many crews there was

bn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 2:04 pm

HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:44 pm

eboli wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:57 am

JoelTurner wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:58 pm I can see Miranda being Lanza’s captain but where does Adonis fit in? Wasn’t he a Brooklyn-New Jersey guy? Did he have any other ties to Lower Manhattan?

What crew was Angelo Fiore with?

Adonis was a Brooklyn guy who also had operations in New Jersey, Manhattan, Florida, and Upstate New York. Fiore was from a Manhattan crew, but I don't know which one. Maybe HK can help, if he sees this post.

I can only contribute with the little I know about this. Angelo Fiore, although originally a South Brooklyn guy, associated himself with Genovese guys based in the Bath Beach section of Brooklyn; Joe "Jinx" Famularo, Louis LaRocca, Nick Galante and Danny Noto. Some indication show that these guys were under Frank Celano, a captain who was based in Manhattan. So when Eboli says Fiore was from a Manhattan crew, it could very well be the case.
Noto is interesting and brings some confusion. On a FBI list dated April 1974, Noto shows up as a captain. Although his name is redacted, indications points at it is him. B discovered that Noto was later transfered to the DeCavalcante Family so that transfer must have occured some time after 1974.

As for the Lanza brothers, it is indeed Harry Lanza who was a captain. Who knows, Joe "Socks" may have been a skipper in the early days, we just don´t know, but I have not seen any official FBI information on Joe being a skipper in the1960s. Harry Lanza was demoted or stepped down sometime in the early 1970s and Toddo Marino took over his crew. The control of The United Seafood Workers Union (Local 359) which in turn had a stronghold on the Fulton Fish Market, went to Carmine "Fish" Romano. It´s wrong to assume that the whole of Fulton Fish Market was controlled by one single Genovese crew and evidence show that other Families had interests there as well, for example the Bonanno Family. But the Seafood Workers Union was definitely the child of the Lanza brothers.

Are you sure that Toddo Marino took over for Harry Lanza? Because in the April 1974 list Harry Lanza and Toddo Marino are both ID'd as captains.

trafficante wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:37 am

JoelTurner wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 9:43 pm

sdeitche wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:51 pm

eboli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:34 pm

PolackTony wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:50 am

eboli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:26 am

InCamelot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:24 pm There was something I read in someone else's notes about DeFeo being quite power hungry/greedy or something.

A poster on another forum had mentioned there were wiretaps of Alo and Catena after they were retired in Florida. Apparently they were neighbours and Phil Lombardo lived nearby too. Not sure of its validity though.

Alo, Catena, Lombardo, and Coppola lived close to each other in Florida. They would regularly meet over there for dinner, to play golf, etc. Allegedly, that's how Lombardo formed a close relationship with Catena. In the early 1960s, the FBI uncovered a plot of unnamed organized crime figures who planned to kidnap Catena and Lombardo while both were down there.

You stated that these alleged plotters were unnamed, but any idea who or which family/ies may have been involved? Did it seem like an internal Genovese thing?

JoelTurner wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:26 am

eboli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:26 am In the early 1960s, the FBI uncovered a plot of unnamed organized crime figures who planned to kidnap Catena and Lombardo while both were down there.

That would be a huge move. Who would even be able to pull it off?

In the files I have, the FBI didn't indicate who the planners were. They mentioned, however, that the people planning this had intimate knowledge of Catena and Lombardo's activities in Florida, which points the finger at Cosa Nostra associates. The bagman got cold feet and got in touch with the feds. After that, the Miami Field Office contacted Catena (and Lombardo). I'll post the excerpts later because I can't find them easily. I had to read 20k+ pages of docs for the Catena research, and this specific info is somewhere in there.

Here's the relevant part of my article:

By the early 1960s, Jerry Catena spent more of his time in Florida, enjoying the warm weather and playing golf on the local courses. The FBI's field office in Miami trailed him and recorded his activities. They noted that Catena was golfing with one of their snitches. Catena somehow learned his golfing buddy was a federal informant and began feeding him false information. Another thing the Miami office uncovered was a kidnapping plot targeting Catena and a high-level lieutenant of caporegime Michael 'Trigger Mike' Coppola. The unnamed lieutenant was likely Philip 'Cockeyed Phil' Lombardo, a friend of Catena since their days as mob couriers. They often met in Florida when they were down there on business or vacation.

The FBI learned about the plot from the designated bag man. He advised that Catena and Lombardo were supposed to be abducted and held for ransom on a boat offshore by his gang the next time both of them were in the Miami region. The idea failed in its infancy because the informant chickened out and informed both Catena and the feds. It's unclear if the plotters were Cosa Nostra members or external criminal elements familiar with the organization's structures. Catena was visibly shaken when he learned about the plot and requested that his wife Catherine be kept in the dark because he didn't want to worry her.

I have a 1963 document that talks about Joe Merola plotting to kidnap Catena and Max Raymond, an associate of Mike Coppola, in Florida. Curious if it's the same, or a different plot.

Max Raymond was an alias of Max Eder. He was a Miami gambling & narcotics figure, but had been in the Bronx before that.

Who was Joe Merola?

Joseph R. Merola was a Miami gunrunner originally from Turtle Creek, Pennsylvania who was an associate of the Mannarino brothers. He was also a burglar and a CI. I believe he ended up having a falling out with the Mannarinos that ended with him being dropped from the CI program. Theres also a weird connection between him and the CIA.

HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:44 pm

eboli wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:57 am

JoelTurner wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:58 pm I can see Miranda being Lanza’s captain but where does Adonis fit in? Wasn’t he a Brooklyn-New Jersey guy? Did he have any other ties to Lower Manhattan?

What crew was Angelo Fiore with?

Adonis was a Brooklyn guy who also had operations in New Jersey, Manhattan, Florida, and Upstate New York. Fiore was from a Manhattan crew, but I don't know which one. Maybe HK can help, if he sees this post.

I can only contribute with the little I know about this. Angelo Fiore, although originally a South Brooklyn guy, associated himself with Genovese guys based in the Bath Beach section of Brooklyn; Joe "Jinx" Famularo, Louis LaRocca, Nick Galante and Danny Noto. Some indication show that these guys were under Frank Celano, a captain who was based in Manhattan. So when Eboli says Fiore was from a Manhattan crew, it could very well be the case.
Noto is interesting and brings some confusion. On a FBI list dated April 1974, Noto shows up as a captain. Although his name is redacted, indications points at it is him. B discovered that Noto was later transfered to the DeCavalcante Family so that transfer must have occured some time after 1974.

As for the Lanza brothers, it is indeed Harry Lanza who was a captain. Who knows, Joe "Socks" may have been a skipper in the early days, we just don´t know, but I have not seen any official FBI information on Joe being a skipper in the1960s. Harry Lanza was demoted or stepped down sometime in the early 1970s and Toddo Marino took over his crew. The control of The United Seafood Workers Union (Local 359) which in turn had a stronghold on the Fulton Fish Market, went to Carmine "Fish" Romano. It´s wrong to assume that the whole of Fulton Fish Market was controlled by one single Genovese crew and evidence show that other Families had interests there as well, for example the Bonanno Family. But the Seafood Workers Union was definitely the child of the Lanza brothers.

JoelTurner wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 9:43 pm

sdeitche wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:51 pm

eboli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:34 pm

PolackTony wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:50 am

eboli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:26 am

InCamelot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:24 pm There was something I read in someone else's notes about DeFeo being quite power hungry/greedy or something.

A poster on another forum had mentioned there were wiretaps of Alo and Catena after they were retired in Florida. Apparently they were neighbours and Phil Lombardo lived nearby too. Not sure of its validity though.

Alo, Catena, Lombardo, and Coppola lived close to each other in Florida. They would regularly meet over there for dinner, to play golf, etc. Allegedly, that's how Lombardo formed a close relationship with Catena. In the early 1960s, the FBI uncovered a plot of unnamed organized crime figures who planned to kidnap Catena and Lombardo while both were down there.

You stated that these alleged plotters were unnamed, but any idea who or which family/ies may have been involved? Did it seem like an internal Genovese thing?

JoelTurner wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:26 am

eboli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:26 am In the early 1960s, the FBI uncovered a plot of unnamed organized crime figures who planned to kidnap Catena and Lombardo while both were down there.

That would be a huge move. Who would even be able to pull it off?

In the files I have, the FBI didn't indicate who the planners were. They mentioned, however, that the people planning this had intimate knowledge of Catena and Lombardo's activities in Florida, which points the finger at Cosa Nostra associates. The bagman got cold feet and got in touch with the feds. After that, the Miami Field Office contacted Catena (and Lombardo). I'll post the excerpts later because I can't find them easily. I had to read 20k+ pages of docs for the Catena research, and this specific info is somewhere in there.

Here's the relevant part of my article:

By the early 1960s, Jerry Catena spent more of his time in Florida, enjoying the warm weather and playing golf on the local courses. The FBI's field office in Miami trailed him and recorded his activities. They noted that Catena was golfing with one of their snitches. Catena somehow learned his golfing buddy was a federal informant and began feeding him false information. Another thing the Miami office uncovered was a kidnapping plot targeting Catena and a high-level lieutenant of caporegime Michael 'Trigger Mike' Coppola. The unnamed lieutenant was likely Philip 'Cockeyed Phil' Lombardo, a friend of Catena since their days as mob couriers. They often met in Florida when they were down there on business or vacation.

The FBI learned about the plot from the designated bag man. He advised that Catena and Lombardo were supposed to be abducted and held for ransom on a boat offshore by his gang the next time both of them were in the Miami region. The idea failed in its infancy because the informant chickened out and informed both Catena and the feds. It's unclear if the plotters were Cosa Nostra members or external criminal elements familiar with the organization's structures. Catena was visibly shaken when he learned about the plot and requested that his wife Catherine be kept in the dark because he didn't want to worry her.

I have a 1963 document that talks about Joe Merola plotting to kidnap Catena and Max Raymond, an associate of Mike Coppola, in Florida. Curious if it's the same, or a different plot.

Max Raymond was an alias of Max Eder. He was a Miami gambling & narcotics figure, but had been in the Bronx before that.

Who was Joe Merola?

sdeitche wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:51 pm

eboli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:34 pm

PolackTony wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:50 am

eboli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:26 am

InCamelot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:24 pm There was something I read in someone else's notes about DeFeo being quite power hungry/greedy or something.

A poster on another forum had mentioned there were wiretaps of Alo and Catena after they were retired in Florida. Apparently they were neighbours and Phil Lombardo lived nearby too. Not sure of its validity though.

Alo, Catena, Lombardo, and Coppola lived close to each other in Florida. They would regularly meet over there for dinner, to play golf, etc. Allegedly, that's how Lombardo formed a close relationship with Catena. In the early 1960s, the FBI uncovered a plot of unnamed organized crime figures who planned to kidnap Catena and Lombardo while both were down there.

You stated that these alleged plotters were unnamed, but any idea who or which family/ies may have been involved? Did it seem like an internal Genovese thing?

JoelTurner wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:26 am

eboli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:26 am In the early 1960s, the FBI uncovered a plot of unnamed organized crime figures who planned to kidnap Catena and Lombardo while both were down there.

That would be a huge move. Who would even be able to pull it off?

In the files I have, the FBI didn't indicate who the planners were. They mentioned, however, that the people planning this had intimate knowledge of Catena and Lombardo's activities in Florida, which points the finger at Cosa Nostra associates. The bagman got cold feet and got in touch with the feds. After that, the Miami Field Office contacted Catena (and Lombardo). I'll post the excerpts later because I can't find them easily. I had to read 20k+ pages of docs for the Catena research, and this specific info is somewhere in there.

Here's the relevant part of my article:

By the early 1960s, Jerry Catena spent more of his time in Florida, enjoying the warm weather and playing golf on the local courses. The FBI's field office in Miami trailed him and recorded his activities. They noted that Catena was golfing with one of their snitches. Catena somehow learned his golfing buddy was a federal informant and began feeding him false information. Another thing the Miami office uncovered was a kidnapping plot targeting Catena and a high-level lieutenant of caporegime Michael 'Trigger Mike' Coppola. The unnamed lieutenant was likely Philip 'Cockeyed Phil' Lombardo, a friend of Catena since their days as mob couriers. They often met in Florida when they were down there on business or vacation.

The FBI learned about the plot from the designated bag man. He advised that Catena and Lombardo were supposed to be abducted and held for ransom on a boat offshore by his gang the next time both of them were in the Miami region. The idea failed in its infancy because the informant chickened out and informed both Catena and the feds. It's unclear if the plotters were Cosa Nostra members or external criminal elements familiar with the organization's structures. Catena was visibly shaken when he learned about the plot and requested that his wife Catherine be kept in the dark because he didn't want to worry her.

I have a 1963 document that talks about Joe Merola plotting to kidnap Catena and Max Raymond, an associate of Mike Coppola, in Florida. Curious if it's the same, or a different plot.