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if he's scared about saying the wrong thing like I am jjust shut the fuck about it and don't say it like many of us. no offense cat

Known Pizza many years on forums .

He told me after many many conversations that he had to change (fabricate) many things about himself.
When you are close to made guys or even savvy associates you have to be extremely careful. Street guys are not stupid and can figure out quick who some from just a few conversations.
The guys in the life know about these forums and pretty sure some read in detail.
That being said i took everything with grain of salt.
He never posted about the mafia on mafia forums for many many years he posted about everything else hundreds and hundreds of posts about everything but what he morphed into after reading and learning about everything.
Then he started posting that he was loosely connected.
Then he started filling in all the pieces.

I think he grew up where he says , I think he was / is loosely connected. But he absolutely told me he had to embellish to be safe .

Mostly everything he said make complete sense if you grew up where and how he has .

Does Scott concede that Picasso was Lenehan?

It seems like some folks experienced evidence that he wasn't who he claimed to be personally, so thus his other info is also much more questionable now.

Wait are people saying Pizzaboy was full of crap? His stories were always really believable "I'm from the neighborhood and was exposed to those guys a bit" type stories, not any big unbelievable claims.

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[quote=CornerBoy post_id=258793 time=1681143877 user_id=5642]
pizza boy and picasso they both had interesting stories to tell but more than half were lies. is that an accurate statement?
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Fwiw, I don’t think Lenehan and Pizzaboy compare. One outright denied his identity, claimed to be a made man and made a volume of posts about vague “slice of life” stories about his time in the mafia. The other concealed his identity but made it clear he was just a person from the same neighbourhoods and made his own observations. Comparing pizzaboy to Pic doesn’t really track.

Chin, I appreciate you including both the information D’Arco gave in his book and contrasting it to the information Casso provided. Obviously I lean towards the former being more accurate than the information in Carlo’s book. My copy of [i]Gaspipe[/i] is in storage. In can’t recall if he shared any of his own opinions on Crea in the book.
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I think that D'arco was robbing the family. that is one rare thing I can offer that came from someone who would have an idea but little al prob flipped 30 yrs ago. the guy who gave me the info is a total asshole but at one point was on the inside.

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[quote=AustraliaSteve post_id=259124 time=1681500931 user_id=2480]
Chin, I appreciate you including both the information D’Arco gave in his book and contrasting it to the information Casso provided. Obviously I lean towards the former being more accurate than the information in Carlo’s book. My copy of [i]Gaspipe[/i] is in storage. In can’t recall if he shared any of his own opinions on Crea in the book.
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Crea isn't mentioned at all in Gaspipe. There's quite a few significant guys who are completely missing.
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Sounds about standard for the author and his subject.

[quote=AustraliaSteve post_id=259124 time=1681500931 user_id=2480]
Chin, I appreciate you including both the information D’Arco gave in his book and contrasting it to the information Casso provided. Obviously I lean towards the former being more accurate than the information in Carlo’s book. My copy of [i]Gaspipe[/i] is in storage. In can’t recall if he shared any of his own opinions on Crea in the book.
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Crea isn't mentioned at all in Gaspipe. There's quite a few significant guys who are completely missing.

[quote=CornerBoy post_id=258793 time=1681143877 user_id=5642]
pizza boy and picasso they both had interesting stories to tell but more than half were lies. is that an accurate statement?
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Fwiw, I don’t think Lenehan and Pizzaboy compare. One outright denied his identity, claimed to be a made man and made a volume of posts about vague “slice of life” stories about his time in the mafia. The other concealed his identity but made it clear he was just a person from the same neighbourhoods and made his own observations. Comparing pizzaboy to Pic doesn’t really track.

Chin, I appreciate you including both the information D’Arco gave in his book and contrasting it to the information Casso provided. Obviously I lean towards the former being more accurate than the information in Carlo’s book. My copy of [i]Gaspipe[/i] is in storage. In can’t recall if he shared any of his own opinions on Crea in the book.

Great post chin

The Lucchese administration gets quite confusing in the 1980s. Some key points:

- Leading up to the commission trial, the administration consisted of Corallo (boss), Santoro (underboss), and Furnari (consigliere)
- In late 1986, Amuso is named the new boss by Corallo
- Upon becoming boss, Amuso promoted Casso to captain of the 19th Hole crew
- In [i]Mob Boss[/i], D'Arco recalled being informed by Amuso of his elevation to boss on 22 October 1986 (the same day D'Arco was released from prison)
- Casso testified that Amuso was made boss "at the end of 1986", but confirmed to author Philip Carlo that it took place prior to the murder of Anthony Luongo
- In [i]Gaspipe[/i] Casso recalls Corallo giving the order to kill Luongo at the same meeting where he named Amuso his successor (according to Casso, Luongo was killed because Corallo heard rumours that he was planning on taking over the family)
- D'Arco learned about Luongo's murder from Amuso and Casso, who told him Luongo and Anthony DiLapi had been part of a plot by Santoro to seize control of the family as the commission trial was coming to a close
- D'Arco describes Luongo as having "briefly been a leading candidate for boss" who was being groomed by Santoro, while Casso describes him as a captain
- Genovese member Vincent Cafaro testified before congress that Amuso "succeeded Buddy Luongo" as boss of the family
- Cafaro learned about Luongo's murder and Amuso's involvement through conversations with Lucchese associate Ralph Tutino
- However, when compared to Casso and D'Arco's accounts, Cafaro's appears to be inaccurate (while both describe Luongo as a potential candidate to lead the family, they never describe him as the acting boss and agree that Amuso was already boss prior to Luongo's murder)
- Cafaro testified that he knew Amuso to be the consigliere of the Lucchese family, which also does not appear to have been accurate
- In December 1986, Tutino told Cafaro that Amuso, Ettore Coco, and Mariano Macaluso were running the Lucchese family, with Coco being "the power behind Amuso"
- The 25 Years After Valachi report also contains two Lucchese hierarchy charts
- The first chart, which appears more accurate, describes the hierarchy as of 1987 and lists Amuso as boss, Macaluso as underboss, and Casso as consigliere
- The second chart, prepared by the NYPD Intelligence Division in April 1988, appears less accurate and lists Corallo, Santoro, and Furnari as retaining the boss, underboss, and consigliere positions, respectively, despite their incarceration, with Amuso as the "interim boss", Macaluso as acting underboss & consigliere, and Casso as "street boss"
- On 17 July 1987, Gregory Scarpa told the FBI that Vincent Gigante disapproved of the "three man command structure currently being used by the Luchese, Bonanno, and Colombo families while their respective bosses are incarcerated"
- On 3 May 1988, Scarpa told the FBI that Amuso "is now the official boss" of the Lucchese family and Casso is "either underboss or consigliere"
- Again, Scarpa's information does not appear to fit with the accounts we have from Casso and D'Arco
- Casso testified that Amuso told him he was the new consigliere "at the end" of 1987, with his promotion to underboss taking place in 1989
- By contrast, in [i]Mob Boss[/i], D'Arco recalled that Casso replaced Aniello Migliore as consigliere when Migliore went to prison in 1988, with his promotion to underboss coming "a few months later"
- Also in [i]Mob Boss[/i] D'Arco described Macaluso as "briefly" serving as acting consigliere until being forced to retire when Amuso took over the family
- The June 1993 FBI membership chart posted by Snakes also lists Macaluso as the acting consigliere
- However, in a 302 dated 13 November 1991, D'Arco told the FBI that Migliore was made underboss "shortly after the commission case" due in part to his closeness with Corallo
- When Amuso and Casso became fugitives in May 1990, D'Arco was unofficially left in charge of the street
- In January 1991, D'Arco was promoted to acting boss, Anthony Baratta to acting underboss, and Steven Crea to acting consigliere
- In July 1991, the acting administration were demoted and replaced with a panel consisting of D'Arco, Baratta, Salvatore Avellino, and Frank Lastorino

If I remember correctly Tick went to prison the very beginning of 1987 and Casso became the official consigliere sometime after Vic took over but by 1989 he was the underboss. Not sure who it was in 1990.

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Who was vics official consig in 1990??
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Think Christie Tic.

Bunch of actings: Migliore and Lastorino, Crea. Not sure dates but around late 80's early 90's.

Who was vics official consig in 1990??

So Crea was made acting consig in January 1991? Who was he acting for? Casso made bowatt his acting underboss as amuso picked darco as his street boss. Hmmm. Amuso had to have tapped crea. Just goes to show he had alot of respect for him even 30+yrs ago