by PolackTony » Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:05 pm
Ivan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:32 pm
PolackTony wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:10 am
Ivan wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:34 pm
PolackTony wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:14 pm
Ivan wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:05 pm
It's actually the fifth mafia, rather than the fourth (it split from Sacra Corona Unita I think, which is the actual 4th, which I guess makes Società Foggiana the Rochester Family of Italy or something) but anyway here's the article.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fourth-maf ... ent-italy/
The Foggianesi are no joke, some really brutal guys there.
Sounds like it. The overlooking of SCU in the article is really odd though.
The SCU doesn’t operate in Foggia today, but rather in Bari and particularly the southern provinces (Taranto, Lecca, Brindisi).
As Scagghiuni noted, it’s claimed that in 1980 Raffaele Cutolo authorized an offshoot of the NCO in Foggia at a meeting with Foggianese underworld figures, called the Nuova Camorra Pugliese (many of Cutolo’s acolytes were also incarcerated in prisons in Foggia province during this time). The NCP spread to other provinces in Puglia via the prison system. In 1983, Cutolo’s power and influence dramatically declined as he was losing his war against the “Nuova Famiglia” Camorra bloc, and clans aligned with Cutolo began breaking away. In that year, NCP member Giuseppe Rogoli, who was from Brindisi province, aligned himself with the Belloco ‘ndrina of the ‘Ndrangheta and refounded the NCP as the SCU. The Foggianesi were said to have remained closer to Cutolo’s people and Campania, however, and resented the leadership of Rogoli. In 1989, Foggia SCU leader Giuseppe Laviano was murdered and decapitated, with the Foggianesi breaking away from the SCU as the Società Foggiana under leader Rocco Moretti.
Cutolo himself had of course been inducted into the ‘Ndrangheta in prison before founding the NCO, and drew on the ‘Ndrangheta’s symbolism and structures in an attempt to revive the lost traditions of the old Campanian Camorra.
Gotcha. What I meant is that it was odd they were calling it "Italy's 4th mafia" when SCU was already around.
Ah, gotcha. Yeah, a lot of commentators may be unclear as to the relationship of SF to SCU. As I’ve noted, I’ve seen somewhat vague or conflicting accounts in sources, and there will be journalists who cover these things and don’t know much about them, so I guess any “mafia” group apart from the 3 that they already know about will be see as the “4th mafia”. I suppose it also depends on whether one defines the SF as being a direct continuation of the NCP rather than a breakaway faction of the SCU, as then one could say that the SF was indeed founded a couple of years before the SCU.
FWIW, there is also the Basilischi or Lucano mafia, founded in the early 90s in Basilicata, again under the aegis of the ‘Ndrangheta. Now, some call it the 5th mafia, but if the SF is the 4th mafia and the SCU the 5th, that would make the Lucani the 6th mafia. Not the 6th Family, however, as we all know that’s Montreal lol.
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It's actually the fifth mafia, rather than the fourth (it split from Sacra Corona Unita I think, which is the actual 4th, which I guess makes Società Foggiana the Rochester Family of Italy or something) but anyway here's the article.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fourth-mafia-foggia-most-violent-italy/
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The Foggianesi are no joke, some really brutal guys there.
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Sounds like it. The overlooking of SCU in the article is really odd though.
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The SCU doesn’t operate in Foggia today, but rather in Bari and particularly the southern provinces (Taranto, Lecca, Brindisi).
As Scagghiuni noted, it’s claimed that in 1980 Raffaele Cutolo authorized an offshoot of the NCO in Foggia at a meeting with Foggianese underworld figures, called the Nuova Camorra Pugliese (many of Cutolo’s acolytes were also incarcerated in prisons in Foggia province during this time). The NCP spread to other provinces in Puglia via the prison system. In 1983, Cutolo’s power and influence dramatically declined as he was losing his war against the “Nuova Famiglia” Camorra bloc, and clans aligned with Cutolo began breaking away. In that year, NCP member Giuseppe Rogoli, who was from Brindisi province, aligned himself with the Belloco ‘ndrina of the ‘Ndrangheta and refounded the NCP as the SCU. The Foggianesi were said to have remained closer to Cutolo’s people and Campania, however, and resented the leadership of Rogoli. In 1989, Foggia SCU leader Giuseppe Laviano was murdered and decapitated, with the Foggianesi breaking away from the SCU as the Società Foggiana under leader Rocco Moretti.
Cutolo himself had of course been inducted into the ‘Ndrangheta in prison before founding the NCO, and drew on the ‘Ndrangheta’s symbolism and structures in an attempt to revive the lost traditions of the old Campanian Camorra.
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Gotcha. What I meant is that it was odd they were calling it "Italy's 4th mafia" when SCU was already around.
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Ah, gotcha. Yeah, a lot of commentators may be unclear as to the relationship of SF to SCU. As I’ve noted, I’ve seen somewhat vague or conflicting accounts in sources, and there will be journalists who cover these things and don’t know much about them, so I guess any “mafia” group apart from the 3 that they already know about will be see as the “4th mafia”. I suppose it also depends on whether one defines the SF as being a direct continuation of the NCP rather than a breakaway faction of the SCU, as then one could say that the SF was indeed founded a couple of years before the SCU.
FWIW, there is also the Basilischi or Lucano mafia, founded in the early 90s in Basilicata, again under the aegis of the ‘Ndrangheta. Now, some call it the 5th mafia, but if the SF is the 4th mafia and the SCU the 5th, that would make the Lucani the 6th mafia. Not the 6th Family, however, as we all know that’s Montreal lol.