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by **HairyKnuckles** » Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:31 pm

Lupara wrote:
HairyKnuckles wrote:Not only that, Mancuso also served as acting captain for Patty DeFilippo when he was indicted in 2003.
Didn't Montagna served as acting captain for DeFilippo?

Yes he did. But that was after Mancuso was upped to acting underboss sometime in the first half of 2004. By 2006, Montegna was acting boss when both Basciano and Mancuso were in prison/under indictment.

by **Lupara** » Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:26 am

HairyKnuckles wrote:Not only that, Mancuso also served as acting captain for Patty DeFilippo when he was indicted in 2003.

Didn't Montagna served as acting captain for DeFilippo?

by **HairyKnuckles** » Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:30 am

Just to be clear, when I said:

The Bonannos didn´t make any new recruits in between 1979 and 1984 due to fear of another agent possibly being among them

I meant that in between 1979 and 1981, the Bonannos did not make any new members either because the Commission´s ban on them, or simply because the books were closed. And after the Donnie Brasco incident in 1981, they didn´t make any new members because they feared there could be another LE agent among the proposed recruits.

Michael Mancuso, Antonio Tomasulo Sr, and Salvatore Vitale are the only ones I know that we're made in that time according to a CI who had seen a proposed membership list submitted by the Bonannos.

Being on a proposed membership list doesn´t automatically mean being made. Sometimes bosses turn down names, which was the case with Mancuso whose induction into the Bonannos was delayed.

Mancuso di not go from Soldier to Acting Boss. He served as Acting UnderBoss first.

Not only that, Mancuso also served as acting captain for Patty DeFilippo when he was indicted in 2003.

by B. » Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:32 pm

Chris Christie wrote:
B. wrote:
Pogo The Clown wrote:Source?

Pogo
He mainly posts unverifiable info and disappears when anyone asks him for a concrete source. He claims to know intimate details about the Bonanno's recruitment process 70 years ago based on "word of mouth". If he were willing to be transparent and back up what he says, then he'd be among the best people here but unfortunately he never backs up what he says. It's too bad as he's obviously knows a lot of names, dates, and places... it just raises a million red flags whenever he posts.
I kinda do the same thing although I try my best not to.

Well you've earned credibility over the years and collaborated with other people here. You're not some new face coming around with highly specific, obscure information spanning almost a century that can't be found/backed up anywhere else.

If Vacari does at some point back everything up, I'll be his biggest supporter and even offer an apology, but until then...

by **Angelo Santino** » Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:17 pm

Lupara wrote:
toto wrote:I guess between 1979 and 1981 it wasn't fear of another agent it was probably a ban by the commission after the murder of Carmine Galante and the problems after that. Did the informants say if the problem was because he had legal issues or the problem was "why he killed his wife"?
Seems logical since Pistone was exposed in '81.

This is supported from wiretaps from the hideously written book, I can't remember the name. But it contained wiretaps between Salerno and someone else regarding Rastelli as boss: "If he wants to run it that's fine, but he can't be on the commission." Cafaro in 1985 said something similar: "the Bonannos aren't recognized because there's no order. Today's a boss, tomorrows a new boss." Something like that.

by **Lupara** » Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:13 pm

toto wrote:I guess between 1979 and 1981 it wasn't fear of another agent it was probably a ban by the commission after the murder of Carmine Galante and the problems after that. Did the informants say if the problem was because he had legal issues or the problem was "why he killed his wife"?

That makes sense since Pistone was exposed in '81.

by **Angelo Santino** » Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:06 pm

B. wrote:
Pogo The Clown wrote:Source?

Pogo
He mainly posts unverifiable info and disappears when anyone asks him for a concrete source. He claims to know intimate details about the Bonanno's recruitment process 70 years ago based on "word of mouth". If he were willing to be transparent and back up what he says, then he'd be among the best people here but unfortunately he never backs up what he says. It's too bad as he's obviously knows a lot of names, dates, and places... it just raises a million red flags whenever he posts.

I kinda do the same thing although I try my best not to.

by B. » Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:31 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote:Source?

Pogo

He mainly posts unverifiable info and disappears when anyone asks him for a concrete source. He claims to know intimate details about the Bonanno's recruitment process 70 years ago based on "word of mouth". If he were willing to be transparent and back up what he says, then he'd be among the best people here but unfortunately he never backs up what he says. It's too bad as he's obviously knows a lot of names, dates, and places... it just raises a million red flags whenever he posts.

by **Pogo The Clown** » Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:20 pm

Mancuso di not go from Soldier to Acting Boss. He served as Acting UnderBoss first.

Pogo

by **Pogo The Clown** » Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:57 pm

Source?

Pogo

by **Giacomo_Vacari** » Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:45 pm

When Rusty was paroled in 83' he sent messengers to the other family leaders. He wanted to make new members for his family. The Commission allowed him to make only 4 members, with the understanding that he would have to wait at the end of the decade for the Bonanno's to be considered a seat on the commission, It was Cannone who asked for two additional prospects to be made as he was planning on stepping down due to health reasons, which Paul and the two Tony's allowed as he was held in high regard. Michael Mancuso, Antonio Tomasulo Sr, and Salvatore Vitale are the only ones I know that we're made in that time according to a CI who had seen a proposed membership list submitted by the Bonannos.
Michael Mancuso was never a Capo, he went from soldier to acting boss.
Cammarano jr took over his father's crew when he passed away, and may have been serving as acting Capo for a few years for him.

by **HairyKnuckles** » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:00 am

I guess between 1979 and 1981 it wasn't fear of another agent it was probably a ban by the commission

Either that or simply because the books were closed.

Did the informants say if the problem was because he had legal issues or the problem was "why he killed his wife"?

Most likely because of his legal troubles.

by **toto** » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:44 am

I guess between 1979 and 1981 it wasn't fear of another agent it was probably a ban by the commission after the murder of Carmine Galante and the problems after that. Did the informants say if the problem was because he had legal issues or the problem was "why he killed his wife"?

by **HairyKnuckles** » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:24 am

Pogo The Clown wrote:
Giacomo_Vacari wrote:Mancuso was made after the three Capos were murdered, and before he murdered is wife.

Curious where you got him being made in the early 80s? I didn't think he was made until after he got out of prison in he 90s.

Pogo

Yeah, that seems to be correct Pogo. The Bonannos didn´t make any new recruits in between 1979 and 1984 due to fear of another agent possibly being among them. Mancuso´s induction was being delayed due to the incident with his wife in 1984 according to informants. So Mancuso was made sometime after he came home from serving his prison term.

by **Pogo The Clown** » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:16 am

Giacomo_Vacari wrote:Mancuso was made after the three Capos were murdered, and before he murdered is wife.

Curious where you got him being made in the early 80s? I didn't think he was made until after he got out of prison in the 90s.

Pogo

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