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by **Villain** » Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:38 am

Les Kruse was another interesting individual who together with his father started under national gambling and wire operators (mostly Jewish) from the 1920s and 30s.

When Outfit capo Rocco Fischetti fell into huge gambling debts, it was Kruse who took care of Fischettis debts and allegedly took over his operations around the Southwest and North sides. In plane words, Fischetti was still one of the "official" capos of the South Side group, while Kruse was the "unofficial" boss of Rocco's crew and had the last word on the day-to-day ops.

by **davidf1989** » Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:47 am

Lefty Rosenthal

by **antimafia** » Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:52 pm

The French-Canadian businessman Armand Courville was Vic Cotroni’s mentor. Were it not for Courville, Cotroni might not have ever turned out the way he did.

Willie Obront, the Canadian Jewish “financier,” was very important to the Cotroni-Violi group.

by **Stroccos** » Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:47 pm

JCB1977 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:22 am @Stroccos

Would you consider Joe Perfette an influential associate? He dominated gambling in the 90's in Warren for Peanuts, Loose and Papalardo to keep the 25% coming into Cleveland.

Certainly was a cash cow for the mob, it depends how deep you want to go with it. Certainly was a influence in the gambling scene.

by **SonnyBlackstein** » Tue Feb 21, 2023 12:43 pm

Carmine Franco Westside. Garbage magnate.

by **JCB1977** » Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:32 am

Stroccos wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:59 am
JCB1977 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:08 am
Stroccos wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 7:38 am Cleveland
Mashie rockman
Bill presser
Jackie presser
Babe Triscaro
I would also add the Jewish members of the Mayfield Road Gang...would you agree?
that's a interesting question , if you add the Jews you might as well add the irish fellows as well. since they were partners with the mayfield road gang are they considered associates or partners

I would agree....Shondor Birns would also be included as an influential associate

by **CornerBoy** » Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:01 am

Spanish Raymond Genovese family

by **Stroccos** » Tue Feb 21, 2023 2:59 am

JCB1977 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:08 am
Stroccos wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 7:38 am Cleveland
Mashie rockman
Bill presser
Jackie presser
Babe Triscaro
I would also add the Jewish members of the Mayfield Road Gang...would you agree?

that's a interesting question , if you add the Jews you might as well add the irish fellows as well. since they were partners with the mayfield road gang are they considered associates or partners

by **FriendofHenry** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:00 am

JCB1977 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:05 am
JCB1977 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:13 pm Pittsburgh

Abe Zeid
Meyer Sigal
Willie Sams
Victor Carlucci- Son in law to Sam Mannarino
Frank Unis Jr- Aliquippa (Beaver County)
Geno Chiarelli- Pittsburgh
Anthony "Tony" Grosso- Allegheny County
Robert "Bobby I" Iannelli
Salvatore "Sal" Williams
Adolfo "Junior" Williams
Chuck Teemer
Joseph LaQuatra (LIUNA 1058)
Archie Nelson
Eugene "Nick the Blade" Gesuale
Primo Mollica
Anthony Murgie

Wheeling, WV Faction

William "Big Bill" Lias
Paul Hankish
Silvio "Birdie" Pinciaro

Youngstown Faction

Dominic Prato
Michael D. Romeo
Joseph "Blackie" Gennaro
Bernard "Bernie the Jew" Altshuler
James "Jinx" Naples
John "Popeye" Stevens
Mario "The Butcher" Guerreri
Paulie Holowatick
Amil Dinsio
Jimmy Dinsio
Dante Strollo

Johnstown/Altoona

Alfred "Freddy" Corbo
Michael Gulino
Fred Piera
Additionally, the Steubenville, OH faction

John "Jack" DeSarro aka Stogie
Philip Mattucci
Bruno Tegano
Anthony Panebianco
Ernie Giannamore
Angelo Antonucci

Chuck Teemer ran a private men's club for John.
John sent him and Jo Jo Pecora to Chester, WVA to open Club 30
Then the Jockey Club after they closed Club 30

Paul Hankish for sure

by **JCB1977** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:05 am

JCB1977 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:13 pm Pittsburgh

Abe Zeid
Meyer Sigal
Willie Sams
Victor Carlucci- Son in law to Sam Mannarino
Frank Unis Jr- Aliquippa (Beaver County)
Geno Chiarelli- Pittsburgh
Anthony "Tony" Grosso- Allegheny County
Robert "Bobby I" Iannelli
Salvatore "Sal" Williams
Adolfo "Junior" Williams
Chuck Teemer
Joseph LaQuatra (LIUNA 1058)
Archie Nelson
Eugene "Nick the Blade" Gesuale
Primo Mollica
Anthony Murgie

Wheeling, WV Faction

William "Big Bill" Lias
Paul Hankish
Silvio "Birdie" Pinciaro

Youngstown Faction

Dominic Prato
Michael D. Romeo
Joseph "Blackie" Gennaro
Bernard "Bernie the Jew" Altshuler
James "Jinx" Naples
John "Popeye" Stevens
Mario "The Butcher" Guerreri
Paulie Holowatick
Amil Dinsio
Jimmy Dinsio
Dante Strollo

Johnstown/Altoona

Alfred "Freddy" Corbo
Michael Gulino
Fred Piera

Additionally, the Steubenville, OH faction

John "Jack" DeSarro aka Stogie
Philip Mattucci
Bruno Tegano
Anthony Panebianco
Ernie Giannamore
Angelo Antonucci

by **FriendofHenry** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:03 am

JCB1977 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:28 am
FriendofHenry wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:09 am
JCB1977 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:22 am @Stroccos

Would you consider Joe Perfette an influential associate? He dominated gambling in the 90's in Warren for Peanuts, Loose and Papalardo to keep the 25% coming into Cleveland.
Interesting - I knew Joe when I was working in Niles, Ohio. My understanding was that his main responsibility was the heavy book making in Niles.
He oversaw it, collected Cleveland's "Kick-Up", then dropped it off at the Sunrise Inn. There Charlie made sure Tony Delsanter got Cleveland's end.
Tony DelSanter was dead by 1977...Joe's power came after that, worked closely with Jack Licavoli, then Peanuts Tronolone and Loose & Papalardo. Joe was a big bookmaker prior to that. People also knew him as the sausage king, he and his cousin Joe made homemade sausage

I can only speak of when I was working in Niles which was prior to Tony's death. So it makes sense that Joe came into power then.
He and his son made sausage on the bottom of South Ave. in Youngstown and their sausage was a big seller at the Canfield Fair

by **Villain** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:30 am

CornerBoy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:30 am
Villain wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:26 am
CornerBoy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:12 am Hy Larner only know what i read in double deal, great book- some of the shit seems pretty out there concerning hy larner. if that shit were true he would be up there with humphreys and gus alex or Frank alex whatever that big shot Greek dude in Chicago is name
Read my Hy Larner article in the articles section and you'll get the point since its more realistic and backed by evidences, rather than Corbitts book.
Thanks Villain

You're welcome bud

by **CornerBoy** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:30 am

Villain wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:26 am
CornerBoy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:12 am Hy Larner only know what i read in double deal, great book- some of the shit seems pretty out there concerning hy larner. if that shit were true he would be up there with humphreys and gus alex or Frank alex whatever that big shot Greek dude in Chicago is name
Read my Hy Larner article in the articles section and you'll get the point since its more realistic and backed by evidences, rather than Corbitts book.

Thanks Villain

by **JCB1977** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:28 am

FriendofHenry wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:09 am
JCB1977 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:22 am @Stroccos

Would you consider Joe Perfette an influential associate? He dominated gambling in the 90's in Warren for Peanuts, Loose and Papalardo to keep the 25% coming into Cleveland.
Interesting - I knew Joe when I was working in Niles, Ohio. My understanding was that his main responsibility was the heavy book making in Niles.
He oversaw it, collected Cleveland's "Kick-Up", then dropped it off at the Sunrise Inn. There Charlie made sure Tony Delsanter got Cleveland's end.

Tony DelSanter was dead by 1977...Joe's power came after that, worked closely with Jack Licavoli, then Peanuts Tronolone and Loose & Papalardo. Joe was a big bookmaker prior to that. People also knew him as the sausage king, he and his cousin Joe made homemade sausage

by **Villain** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:26 am

CornerBoy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:12 am Hy Larner only know what i read in double deal, great book- some of the shit seems pretty out there concerning hy larner. if that shit were true he would be up there with humphreys and gus alex or Frank alex whatever that big shot Greek dude in Chicago is name

Read my Hy Larner article in the articles section and you'll get the point since its more realistic and backed by evidences, rather than Corbitts book.

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