THE BLACK HAND FORUM

MightyDR wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:27 pm Joey Cantalupo provides a tiny bit about Persico’s early days in his book:

-In the mid 70s he had a pinball machine business. His uncle got him the arcade concession at Cantalupo’s flea market. He had 15 machines bringing in $4000 a month.
-He also ran loan sharking in the flea market.
-He was usually found by his uncle’s side at the Diplomat Social Club.
-He attended a big party (150 people) at Tomasso’s restaurant in April of 1977 with other recently made members and admin members of the Colombos, Luccheses and Gambinos.

funkster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:54 pm

Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:36 pm

jmack wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:38 am I actually think Allie is one of the few “nepotism hires” these days who was a true gangster. Jr. Gotti proffered in his lone plea negotiation of what, 7 years? Allie is going to do 50+ years and die in prison. You have to respect his commitment to the life.

Good point. He really did seem as if he was capable enough for the life and he certainly has stayed true to it.

Piggy backing on your comment about what Scars said, he also said that the idea that Allie Boy Jr. wasn't boss material and a full on gangster is a myth. Said Allie boy jr. was not at all a case of "he's just the boss's son."

Browniety86 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 2:16 pm

jmack wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:37 am

Browniety86 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:10 am

jmack wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:38 am I actually think Allie is one of the few “nepotism hires” these days who was a true gangster. Jr. Gotti proffered in his lone plea negotiation of what, 7 years? Allie is going to do 50+ years and die in prison. You have to respect his commitment to the life.

Not to condone proffering, but Junior was facing a major RICO indictment which included 3 murders I believe? Maybe 4, not sure on the number but murder was on the bill...

I think you missed my point. What I’m saying is, far too many times we have seen children of gangsters cooperate or attempt to (Gotti, Franzese, etc. ). It shows they weren’t cut out for the life. On the other hand, Allie ate a life sentence without cooperating. He definitely belonged in the life and was probably a good choice for boss at the time.

My apologies, I understand what you were saying now...yes it's commendable Persico stayed true to the life and took his life sentence...Same can be said about Jackie Zambooka who went down for life on the same case...

Guest wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:04 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 7:02 pm He is just a wiseass punk. He was only made becuase his old man is the Boss.


Pogo

You have no idea what youre talking about. Again

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 6:00 am It was a quote from the book Donnie Brasco. One of the associates around Jilly Greca was bitching about how he had put in more work than the guys getting made into the Colombos (including Little Allie Boy).

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 7:02 pm He is just a wiseass punk. He was only made becuase his old man is the Boss.


Pogo

Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:36 pm

jmack wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:38 am I actually think Allie is one of the few “nepotism hires” these days who was a true gangster. Jr. Gotti proffered in his lone plea negotiation of what, 7 years? Allie is going to do 50+ years and die in prison. You have to respect his commitment to the life.

Good point. He really did seem as if he was capable enough for the life and he certainly has stayed true to it.

jmack wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:37 am

Browniety86 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:10 am

jmack wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:38 am I actually think Allie is one of the few “nepotism hires” these days who was a true gangster. Jr. Gotti proffered in his lone plea negotiation of what, 7 years? Allie is going to do 50+ years and die in prison. You have to respect his commitment to the life.

Not to condone proffering, but Junior was facing a major RICO indictment which included 3 murders I believe? Maybe 4, not sure on the number but murder was on the bill...

I think you missed my point. What I’m saying is, far too many times we have seen children of gangsters cooperate or attempt to (Gotti, Franzese, etc. ). It shows they weren’t cut out for the life. On the other hand, Allie ate a life sentence without cooperating. He definitely belonged in the life and was probably a good choice for boss at the time.

Little_Al1991 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:35 pm

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:19 am It's weird in like 96 97 Allie boy put a hit out on some member who disrespected wild bill then 2 yrs later he has wild bill killed. Allie boy was a complicated guy. He was close to bill in those few years even comfortable anuff to make him his underboss

Michael DiLeonardo said about Cutolo “He had boss mentality” meaning he wanted to take over the family so this is what led to the hit and as for his Underboss position, the general consensus surrounding it seems to be that Persico wanted to appease the Orena faction by doing that and keep Cutolo close to him.
It seems as if Cutolo’s ambition was his downfall but his daughters told Cosa Nostra News that he didn’t want to take over the family after he beat a major case in the 90s but it seems as if he did want to take over the family

jmack wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:38 am I actually think Allie is one of the few “nepotism hires” these days who was a true gangster. Jr. Gotti proffered in his lone plea negotiation of what, 7 years? Allie is going to do 50+ years and die in prison. You have to respect his commitment to the life.

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:19 am It's weird in like 96 97 Allie boy put a hit out on some member who disrespected wild bill then 2 yrs later he has wild bill killed. Allie boy was a complicated guy. He was close to bill in those few years even comfortable anuff to make him his underboss

Charlie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:52 am About 35 of those 69 years spent in the can. He might beat his father’s record when he finally dies.

Browniety86 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 9:10 am

jmack wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:38 am I actually think Allie is one of the few “nepotism hires” these days who was a true gangster. Jr. Gotti proffered in his lone plea negotiation of what, 7 years? Allie is going to do 50+ years and die in prison. You have to respect his commitment to the life.

Not to condone proffering, but Junior was facing a major RICO indictment which included 3 murders I believe? Maybe 4, not sure on the number but murder was on the bill...