THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Angelo Santino wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:31 am

JCB1977 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:24 am

Angelo Santino wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:28 pm Thank you. Yeah he would be someone of interest to interview.

We got some things lined up. 1 we do want to interview you much like we did James Buccellato but 2 you know I have a project lined up for release soon and I'd like your involvement in that across multiple episodes, especially when it relates to the ORV. And once that's out people can start discussing it rather than hold back on account of me. You've all (Eric, Tony and yourself) have been very patient and accommodating but there comes a point where holding back knowledge is selfish in terms of putting history in its place. I'm not ready to fully diverge but its coming soon, within weeks/month and when it does, I intend to make sure you are fully credited with your research. Hopefully you'll be a familiar face on the project. Can't say more now.

Thanks everyone!

Congrats! Looking forward to learning more about it. Especially the ORV stuff.

You and I both tackled the ORV stuff and you did your own research and connected things that I did not (there's only so many hours in the day.) It connects to the larger world that I'm focused on but in the end, you found this stuff, it is yours and you are deserving of the credit. When we do it it'll be a chance for us to share publicly your findings and have a discussion on it. Hopefully I can get Eric or Tony on.. Aside from that, we still need to a Mob Archeologist episode with you, get your name out there.

JCB1977 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:24 am

Angelo Santino wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:28 pm Thank you. Yeah he would be someone of interest to interview.

We got some things lined up. 1 we do want to interview you much like we did James Buccellato but 2 you know I have a project lined up for release soon and I'd like your involvement in that across multiple episodes, especially when it relates to the ORV. And once that's out people can start discussing it rather than hold back on account of me. You've all (Eric, Tony and yourself) have been very patient and accommodating but there comes a point where holding back knowledge is selfish in terms of putting history in its place. I'm not ready to fully diverge but its coming soon, within weeks/month and when it does, I intend to make sure you are fully credited with your research. Hopefully you'll be a familiar face on the project. Can't say more now.

Thanks everyone!

Congrats! Looking forward to learning more about it. Especially the ORV stuff.

Angelo Santino wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:28 pm Thank you. Yeah he would be someone of interest to interview.

We got some things lined up. 1 we do want to interview you much like we did James Buccellato but 2 you know I have a project lined up for release soon and I'd like your involvement in that across multiple episodes, especially when it relates to the ORV. And once that's out people can start discussing it rather than hold back on account of me. You've all (Eric, Tony and yourself) have been very patient and accommodating but there comes a point where holding back knowledge is selfish in terms of putting history in its place. I'm not ready to fully diverge but its coming soon, within weeks/month and when it does, I intend to make sure you are fully credited with your research. Hopefully you'll be a familiar face on the project. Can't say more now.

Thanks everyone!

Angelo Santino wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 7:43 am There are many on here better versed with modern events and times than I am. I'm looking up modern Camorra informants and I'm finding little detail/questions regarding what they describe as a hierarchy. Years back Saviano did an interview and made it sound like bloods and crips, he even stated that anyone could move to Naples and start a gang and that's Camorra. I'm very skeptic.

Can anyone point me in the right direction with sources?

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 7:15 pm

OmarSantista wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:57 am

Angelo Santino wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:43 am Are there sources on the modern situation in Campania? An informant or an antiMafia report? Something to cite?

There is no shortage of Sicilian and Calabrian informants who provide a very detailed information. I don't see that with Campania, their informants either aren't asked, don't know or the information just isn't released. We don't have (to my knowledge) a former pentito saying its one way or the other. Instead they skirt around it and instead focus on its criminal rackets in various fields of industry.

I went to Professor Google and I found articles describing younger gangs becoming more prevalent with the incarceration of "bosses" but they used the term paranza to describe them. That term means "small fishing boat" but it carries historical context within the Neapolitan underworld drawing back to the 19th century. There's other terms I see that ring bells but I'm not jumping to any conclusions. Terms, especially regional, do get recycled over time.

Thanks for responding, guys.

That's interesting that there's historical underworld context with that word. This is the movie Piranha's which shows how these "baby bosses" are coming into fruition in modern day Campania/Naples, a great film I've watched it at least three times since it's 2019 release. In theory it shows the elder boss or bosses (I forget) being forced to use these young kids or they'd face danger themselves as well as put a stop to a higher unorganized crime rate in their town which shows the lack of organization that they might already have in place. It seems maybe the elder camorra had a structure of some sort but today these kids do their runs and their killings and it seems that the elders lose power and control because of it hence the terms, piranha and baby bosses, these kids are scaring or killing the elder bosses out of the life due to their abundance of cliques, brute force and lack of collective predecessors for them to follow like what was made prominent in the Ndrangheta and Sicilian clans. But don't take my words for it, watch the movie and form your own opinion and please share you won't regret it!
https://www.amazon.com/Piranhas-Frances ... 148&sr=1-2

I think you might have misunderstood it a little...

That boss was importing marijuana from Brazil or somewhere by the ton.... those kids were disposable labor, nothing more.

You should watch the Gommora movie, it explains the kids much better. There were these 2 Scarface obsessed kids running rampant in the territory, until it becomes known to the bosses. They wack these kids faster than you can blink. THE KIDS ARE NOT THE CLANS.

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 7:15 pm There were these 2 Scarface obsessed kids running rampant in the territory, until it becomes known to the bosses. They wack these kids faster than you can blink. THE KIDS ARE NOT THE CLANS.

OmarSantista wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:57 am

Angelo Santino wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:43 am Are there sources on the modern situation in Campania? An informant or an antiMafia report? Something to cite?

There is no shortage of Sicilian and Calabrian informants who provide a very detailed information. I don't see that with Campania, their informants either aren't asked, don't know or the information just isn't released. We don't have (to my knowledge) a former pentito saying its one way or the other. Instead they skirt around it and instead focus on its criminal rackets in various fields of industry.

I went to Professor Google and I found articles describing younger gangs becoming more prevalent with the incarceration of "bosses" but they used the term paranza to describe them. That term means "small fishing boat" but it carries historical context within the Neapolitan underworld drawing back to the 19th century. There's other terms I see that ring bells but I'm not jumping to any conclusions. Terms, especially regional, do get recycled over time.

Thanks for responding, guys.

That's interesting that there's historical underworld context with that word. This is the movie Piranha's which shows how these "baby bosses" are coming into fruition in modern day Campania/Naples, a great film I've watched it at least three times since it's 2019 release. In theory it shows the elder boss or bosses (I forget) being forced to use these young kids or they'd face danger themselves as well as put a stop to a higher unorganized crime rate in their town which shows the lack of organization that they might already have in place. It seems maybe the elder camorra had a structure of some sort but today these kids do their runs and their killings and it seems that the elders lose power and control because of it hence the terms, piranha and baby bosses, these kids are scaring or killing the elder bosses out of the life due to their abundance of cliques, brute force and lack of collective predecessors for them to follow like what was made prominent in the Ndrangheta and Sicilian clans. But don't take my words for it, watch the movie and form your own opinion and please share you won't regret it!
https://www.amazon.com/Piranhas-Frances ... 148&sr=1-2

Angelo Santino wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:43 am Are there sources on the modern situation in Campania? An informant or an antiMafia report? Something to cite?

There is no shortage of Sicilian and Calabrian informants who provide a very detailed information. I don't see that with Campania, their informants either aren't asked, don't know or the information just isn't released. We don't have (to my knowledge) a former pentito saying its one way or the other. Instead they skirt around it and instead focus on its criminal rackets in various fields of industry.

I went to Professor Google and I found articles describing younger gangs becoming more prevalent with the incarceration of "bosses" but they used the term paranza to describe them. That term means "small fishing boat" but it carries historical context within the Neapolitan underworld drawing back to the 19th century. There's other terms I see that ring bells but I'm not jumping to any conclusions. Terms, especially regional, do get recycled over time.

Thanks for responding, guys.