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Guest wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:13 am Take desimone off the lucheses handled there own hit. The latest is pete the killer did it or Bruno facciolo. The Gambino pushed 4 it. The court officer wasn't sanctioned.

Probably not Bruno personally, but Bruno's crew probably did it since he supposedly had a very large crew with lots of associates who were known to be killers. Apparently DeSimone went to Bruno's pizza parlor as a pit stop on the way to "being made"

I thought Gelb was something Charlie Carneglia did off the reservation...

Take desimone off the lucheses handled there own hit. The latest is pete the killer did it or Bruno facciolo. The Gambino pushed 4 it. The court officer wasn't sanctioned.

Was searching through the board and didn’t see anything but I’ve always been curious about Ralph Galione. Was he part of Gotti’s crew? I think it was in the HBO movie Gotti they put that silly dialog together where Big Paul wants this guy Galione to be a part of the hit and then the professional assassin Gotti is all angry about how he handled it etc. and this is the lore that gets created. If the hit was outsourced to Gotti I wouldn’t have been surprised if Neil knew it was coming down the pipeline and wanted Gotti and Angelo to make their bones.

Has there ever been much else to come out Galione? Who was he on record with?

Dont believe a word alite says.

Is it definitively known who killed Wigs?
His son Froggy was convicted of Farace's murder.

Think I read somewhere it was Gerard papa that killed galione ?? Not sure how much truth is in that though ???

So I was flipping through Mob Star again(which I enjoyed) and was looking at that well known incident where Gene Gotti was talking to Ruggiero about Roy DeMeo and worried about being involved in killing DeMeo. It's from 1982 and Gene says something about the Gottis only having done seven or eight hits(and I took that as approved murders) compared to DeMeo's incredibly high number. So it got me thinking about which ones those might be, and also just in general what murders could be linked to the Fatico/Gotti crew from the 70s up to 1985 when Gotti took over. These are the only possible ones I can currently think of:

James McBratney
Anthony Plate
Tommy DeSimone
Ralph Galione(maybe? I've always been unclear on this one)
John Favara(I'm assuming they got an okay for this one)
Albert Gelb(once again maybe. Not sure if this was approved)
Vito Borelli(Vitale testimony links Gotti's crew to this one if only by getting rid of the body)
Indelicato, Giaccone, Trinchera(helping get rid of the bodies counts in my opinion)

What others can people think of? I left out the two guys Charles Carneglia stabbed to death. Seemed peripheral. And I believe Alite claimed that the crew killed a guy and made it look like a suicide for Jr. Gotti.


Adam