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Re: 1936 Mangano / Profaci trip

by B. » Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:40 pm

The Alampis were Calabrian and the name is most common in Gallina in Reggio Calabria.

Re: 1936 Mangano / Profaci trip

by Boatdrinks » Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:48 pm

Brief Jack Parisi update:
B. said "I looked into it and found nothing to substantiate it. Maybe there's a relation through other relatives but I'm not sure where Dave got it."
I went back to David Critchley's book to look for the source of his Jack Parisi comment on page 158. It is not sourced.

Re: 1936 Mangano / Profaci trip

by Boatdrinks » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:38 pm

I have just looked at the Gelletta family too. There are some older members of the family buried in NYC, but no info again on origins.

Re: 1936 Mangano / Profaci trip

by Boatdrinks » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:19 pm

I have also just found a Concetta Alampi, in St John's in Queens. Again though, there is no info on origin.

Re: 1936 Mangano / Profaci trip

by Boatdrinks » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:09 pm

I have just tried to find Theresa Parisi's father, and think I have. He is Paul Alampi, who died in 1953, and is buried in St John's cemetery in Queens NYC. Sadly though, there is no mention of his birth or origin.

Re: 1936 Mangano / Profaci trip

by Boatdrinks » Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:59 pm

I had assumed that the Jack Parisi info was solid, but it looks like it might not be.
As I am interested in this era, I will keep any eye open for other sources.
For me, the Vincent Mangano/Albert Anastasia link would seem to obviously originate on the waterfront. This would seem to not be contentious, and is my position, unless this is proved to the contrary.
The opposite view, that Anastasia was foisted onto Mangano, by Charlie Lucky, after the Castellammmarese War, just seems a very unlikely legend.

Re: 1936 Mangano / Profaci trip

by B. » Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:12 pm

I looked into it and found nothing to substantiate it. Maybe there's a relation through other relatives but I'm not sure where Dave got it. Parisi was close to Mangano's actual brother-in-law Gus Scannavino so maybe someone misinterpreted a reference to that.

Parisi was close to the Philly Family's Chester crew which is how he joined that Family and he claimed captain Joe Perugino was his cousin but they were from different Calabrian provinces. I couldn't confirm relation between them either.

Re: 1936 Mangano / Profaci trip

by JoelTurner » Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:13 pm

How were they related?

Jack Parisi’s wife was Theresa Alampi
(https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/749 ... esa-parisi)

Vincent Mangano’s wife was Carolina Cusimano
(https://www.ancestry.ca/discoveryui-con ... 74776:2442)

Philip Mangano’s wife was Agatha Trovato
(https://www.ancestry.ca/discoveryui-con ... 57266:2442)

I’m guessing one of Mangano’s siblings was married to one of Parsi’s but I don’t know who.

Re: 1936 Mangano / Profaci trip

by Boatdrinks » Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:32 am

With regard to Jack Parisi, he is stated as related to the Mangano brothers, on Bill Feather's internet site 'Mafia Membership Charts'. He is listed as Gioacchino Parisi in the Gambino chart for 1930s-1950s.

Re: 1936 Mangano / Profaci trip

by Antiliar » Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:42 pm

Following up, like Boatdrinks wrote there's nothing on Mangano or Anastasia on page 67 of "A Man of Honor." I'm using the hardback edition. On page 84 it reads "The second major Family was headed by Al Mineo (his real name in Italian was Manfredi), an avowed ally of Masseria's. This clan included Tata Chiricho, Joe Traina, Vincent Mangano, Frank Scalise and Albert Anastasia." In "The Last Testament of Bill Bonanno," in page 51 of the Kindle version, Bill calls Anastasia and Mangano "men who would rise to powerful positions" around 1929/30 when Mineo, DiBella and Reina were bosses.

Re: 1936 Mangano / Profaci trip

by B. » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:50 pm

Gentile said his return to Italy involved a meeting with Mangano, Anastasia, Biondo, and "Chirico" (Chiri) where they decided/approved of the plan. This stood out because it was three admin members plus Chiri who I assume was a capodecina. Gentile as we know was technically a soldier but also Mangano's "sostituto" for the Agrigento faction. If a consiglio was in place in the Gambino Family back then those five are good candidates -- Chiri and Gentile were at least assisting the admin. Interesting too how all five of those guys were Masseria supporters during the war.

Re: 1936 Mangano / Profaci trip

by JoelTurner » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:45 pm

Boatdrinks wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:42 pm I have just looked at my two copies of Joe Bonanno's 'A Man of Honor'. Both the paperback, and the hardback, have the same numbering of pages.
Page 67 has Uncle Peter Bonventre sending Joe Bonanno to Uncle Vito Bonventre for work, and Bonanno then getting into the bakery business.
Page 84 has Joe Bonanno describing the five Families of New York City. He describes the Mineo Family as the second major Family, and says "This clan included Tata Chiricho, Joe Traina, Vincent Mangano, Frank Scalise and Albert Anastasia."
This bit about the Mineo Family, does not say that they were captains (indeed Bonanno is well known for avoiding that term), nor does it say that they were group leaders either.
Bonanno is merely listing some of the more well known figures. He is not even stating that they were important at that time.
That’s my bad, I misinterpreted this passage. I thought he was saying that they were captains but just not using the term.

However, if he was just listing more well known figures, Chiri seems like the odd man out. The others were famous enough to have a Wikipedia page while he’s a total unknown.

Re: 1936 Mangano / Profaci trip

by B. » Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:35 pm

Just chasing nirvana like the rest of us.

Re: 1936 Mangano / Profaci trip

by CornerBoy » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:54 am

B. wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 11:27 pm Noticed that Vincenzo Mangano and Joe Profaci arrived back on the same ship manifest in 1936. I assume they went to Sicily together. No idea what was going on at the time as that's not a particularly significant year in the US mafia but obviously two Brooklyn bosses traveling abroad together is something.

Anyone know if significant events were happening in Palermo that would have brought them there?

They were of course arrested together at the 1928 Cleveland meeting and Mangano traveled to Sicily with fellow Cleveland Giuseppe Traina in 1925 which I've posted about.
you know your shit my friend. Glad you get such joy out of this research

Re: 1936 Mangano / Profaci trip

by B. » Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:55 pm

Ok so Bonanno didn't specifically say Mangano and Anastasia were "group leaders" at the same time? I didn't check the book after Joel's post.

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I haven't been able to substantiate the claim about the Parisi-Mangano relation. Parisi was married to a fellow Calabrian in Brooklyn and Mangano's wife was from Palermo like him.

With this stuff in mind...

The conflict between Biagio Giordano and the Busardos could be framed as Calabrian vs. Sicilian and that may have been part of it but one of the main suspects in the Giordano murder (in which Anastasia was shot) was Carmelo LiConti who in 1920 lived next door to Giordano in the same apartment building. Some months after the Giordano murder LiConti attended the banquet for Ignazio Lupo, so it looks like he was already made or at least well-accepted by the Gambino Family by then and if it's true he killed his friend Giordano it shows there was more at play than just ethnic rivalry.

Relationships between the Palermitani and Calabrians in Brooklyn were already established though it's true Anastasia had a strong group of Calabrians around him. However there was rivalry even within the Calabrian element.

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