by Angelo Santino » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:58 pm
toto wrote:I think the statement in the first post is wrong: most of these guys are not killers. Very few are and even from them most do not enjoy it. In Sicily it was one reason that some pentiti gave for flipping. Buscetta said violence and murder are against the spirit of Cosa Nostra. Leonardo Messina said he took an oath to join a secret sect not to become a assasin. Gaspare Mutolo said the most difficult test of Cosa Nostra is homicide and the most difficult homicide is by strangling and dissolving the body in acid.
The guy who invented the method of strangling and dissolving in acid was Stefano Bontate but now people say he was the moderate one from Cosa Nostra!
The guy who probably has the most hits in Sicily is probably Leoluca Bagarella he's incredibly religious. When he had to do a murder he used to go to church and start to pray "please lord take him I don't wish to kill him". His wife blamed him because she couldnt have children and she blamed this on her husbands murders including children and said it was a punishment from god. Nobody knows where she's buried - unknown if she committed suicide or Bagarella killed her. Weird story: Bagarella and his guys were strangling a guy and he got a message from his wife "dinner is ready" so he didn't want to be late or disappoint her so he said lets leave this guy and I'll strangle him after the meal.
Pino Greco was convicted of 58 murders in maxi it became something normal. So he and Mario Prestifilppo used to laugh and joke and carry on like normal even after they strangled a few guys and then pissed and shitted on the corpses.
Giuseppe Lucchese killed the wives (might be girlfriends I cant remember exactly) of his brothers who were in jail. He was one known to be a fierce killer.
Brusca strangled Santino Di Matteo's 11 year old son but I dont get the impression he enjoyed it. It seems like many of these guys they look at this as something which as part of a job description. I think he said something about a career in Cosa Nostra requires certain things and this was one of those so he did it for his career.
Luciano Leggio, Nino Calderone said he enjoyed killing and he had a way to look at people which used to frighten them and even mafiosi were frightened of him.
Filippo Marchese "Fifu" is one who was known to enjoy killing. He used to snort cocaine and masturbate while he watched guys being tortured and strangled. He was also involved in personally strangling many guys even his friends like Franco Mafara. Probably Riina found out about his "habits" and thats why he was strangled also.
Yeah, I concur. Murder is a last resort and supposed to be sparingly. It is rather detailed in that most are "to send a message" so that the "implied threat" inspires fear. In the mafia when it's boring you have less pentiti, when bloodshed occurs if when informants come out of the woodwork. Most of them are "losers" when their luck runs out (death or long jail sentences) and they come from various ranks who reflect on the mobs imperfections. Francesco Siino, capo provincia did it in 1890, Gentile and Valachi in the 1960's, Fratiano in the 1970's, Lonardo in the 1980's, Gravano in the 1990's and so on. Despite what the losers say, the system carries on. As this relates to America, with the demise in demographics, the mafia will go away like the cowboys. If Chicago were to began accepting non-Italians as members and eventual leaders carrying on the Outfit could probably survive. But the New York Families... For people who want to argue that it's trucking along, they are forgetting that the 1970's-80's drop off of membership caused a riffle that accorded nationally with the 80's having generational changes in leadership. The mafia declined heavily in the 1970's-1980's and that's where you seen the big membership recruitment. Of course I'm speaking of America and not Sicily.
What are your thoughts on the current events there? My relatives there were victims in Partinico, they refused to pay, got their business blown up, reported it and the men responsible were arrested as mafia members. It seems since the 1980's with the death of Falcone/Borsellino, Sicily finally decided that Mafia wasn't a rugged mentality but a serious problem and what Sicilians do now with stickers on their storefronts proclaiming they pay no mafia tax, would have never happened 100 years ago. That's progress. The Sicilian Mafia will outlast the American one, but I see it's influence declining only at a slower pace.
[quote="toto"]I think the statement in the first post is wrong: most of these guys are not killers. Very few are and even from them most do not enjoy it. In Sicily it was one reason that some pentiti gave for flipping. Buscetta said violence and murder are against the spirit of Cosa Nostra. Leonardo Messina said he took an oath to join a secret sect not to become a assasin. Gaspare Mutolo said the most difficult test of Cosa Nostra is homicide and the most difficult homicide is by strangling and dissolving the body in acid.
The guy who invented the method of strangling and dissolving in acid was Stefano Bontate but now people say he was the moderate one from Cosa Nostra!
The guy who probably has the most hits in Sicily is probably Leoluca Bagarella he's incredibly religious. When he had to do a murder he used to go to church and start to pray "please lord take him I don't wish to kill him". His wife blamed him because she couldnt have children and she blamed this on her husbands murders including children and said it was a punishment from god. Nobody knows where she's buried - unknown if she committed suicide or Bagarella killed her. Weird story: Bagarella and his guys were strangling a guy and he got a message from his wife "dinner is ready" so he didn't want to be late or disappoint her so he said lets leave this guy and I'll strangle him after the meal.
Pino Greco was convicted of 58 murders in maxi it became something normal. So he and Mario Prestifilppo used to laugh and joke and carry on like normal even after they strangled a few guys and then pissed and shitted on the corpses.
Giuseppe Lucchese killed the wives (might be girlfriends I cant remember exactly) of his brothers who were in jail. He was one known to be a fierce killer.
Brusca strangled Santino Di Matteo's 11 year old son but I dont get the impression he enjoyed it. It seems like many of these guys they look at this as something which as part of a job description. I think he said something about a career in Cosa Nostra requires certain things and this was one of those so he did it for his career.
Luciano Leggio, Nino Calderone said he enjoyed killing and he had a way to look at people which used to frighten them and even mafiosi were frightened of him.
Filippo Marchese "Fifu" is one who was known to enjoy killing. He used to snort cocaine and masturbate while he watched guys being tortured and strangled. He was also involved in personally strangling many guys even his friends like Franco Mafara. Probably Riina found out about his "habits" and thats why he was strangled also.[/quote]
Yeah, I concur. Murder is a last resort and supposed to be sparingly. It is rather detailed in that most are "to send a message" so that the "implied threat" inspires fear. In the mafia when it's boring you have less pentiti, when bloodshed occurs if when informants come out of the woodwork. Most of them are "losers" when their luck runs out (death or long jail sentences) and they come from various ranks who reflect on the mobs imperfections. Francesco Siino, capo provincia did it in 1890, Gentile and Valachi in the 1960's, Fratiano in the 1970's, Lonardo in the 1980's, Gravano in the 1990's and so on. Despite what the losers say, the system carries on. As this relates to America, with the demise in demographics, the mafia will go away like the cowboys. If Chicago were to began accepting non-Italians as members and eventual leaders carrying on the Outfit could probably survive. But the New York Families... For people who want to argue that it's trucking along, they are forgetting that the 1970's-80's drop off of membership caused a riffle that accorded nationally with the 80's having generational changes in leadership. The mafia declined heavily in the 1970's-1980's and that's where you seen the big membership recruitment. Of course I'm speaking of America and not Sicily.
What are your thoughts on the current events there? My relatives there were victims in Partinico, they refused to pay, got their business blown up, reported it and the men responsible were arrested as mafia members. It seems since the 1980's with the death of Falcone/Borsellino, Sicily finally decided that Mafia wasn't a rugged mentality but a serious problem and what Sicilians do now with stickers on their storefronts proclaiming they pay no mafia tax, would have never happened 100 years ago. That's progress. The Sicilian Mafia will outlast the American one, but I see it's influence declining only at a slower pace.