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Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by RushStreet » Wed Apr 23, 2025 8:22 am

Wiseguy wrote: Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:37 am
Snakes wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:18 pm
RushStreet wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:27 pm Sarno higher in command than Caruso? Thanks for the laugh.
He was at the time. You're stuck in 2012 ANP where people assumed that just because Sarno was a big fat rough looking guy that people laughed behind his back when everything that's come out about him since shows him as anything but. The guy is a career criminal who did multiple bids in prison and is in the middle of another one. What's hard to understand about this?
I mean, there was that one old mugshot were he looks like a biker just arrested for a bar brawl. And I think that old surveillance photo with him and Andriacchi where he looked rough. But if you look at the more recent pictures of him, like from his 2009 indictment and forward, he looked and dressed like most other mob guys in Chicago and elsewhere do.
He was more of a biker outlaw than anything back in the day. Hence the strong connection he created with the Outlaws that generated tons of business for the Outfit during Mike's tenure as Capo of Cicero.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by RushStreet » Wed Apr 23, 2025 8:20 am

Aunt+Baby wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:16 pm
RushStreet wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:27 pm Sarno higher in command than Caruso? Thanks for the laugh.
Do you drink straight paint??

There are literally wiretaps proving that Caruso was paying tribute to Fat Mike. There is video surveillance of them holding court together at a Chinese restaurant on Wentworth, in old Chinatown

Sarno was beloved by all, that’s why he became The Guy. He was Bobby Salerno’s protégé & was mentored by Andriacchi. Vena loves him as well, and they went partners on several businesses together & were taking lavish trips together. Sarno was well liked across the board, obviously. Where do you come off with this crap? Who even are you :lol:
Sounds like delusions of grandeur. How about you share these so called surveillance videos/photos of Sarno and Caruso together along with Vena? I mean if what you say is true then you will have no problem finding them. Guess what? They do not exist until you prove otherwise. When that time comes I will get on my knees and kiss the feet of Mike Sarno. But until then I have my doubts that what you say is true.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Wiseguy » Wed Apr 23, 2025 4:37 am

Snakes wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:18 pm
RushStreet wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:27 pm Sarno higher in command than Caruso? Thanks for the laugh.
He was at the time. You're stuck in 2012 ANP where people assumed that just because Sarno was a big fat rough looking guy that people laughed behind his back when everything that's come out about him since shows him as anything but. The guy is a career criminal who did multiple bids in prison and is in the middle of another one. What's hard to understand about this?
I mean, there was that one old mugshot were he looks like a biker just arrested for a bar brawl. And I think that old surveillance photo with him and Andriacchi where he looked rough. But if you look at the more recent pictures of him, like from his 2009 indictment and forward, he looked and dressed like most other mob guys in Chicago and elsewhere do.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Aunt+Baby » Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:16 pm

RushStreet wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:27 pm Sarno higher in command than Caruso? Thanks for the laugh.
Do you drink straight paint??

There are literally wiretaps proving that Caruso was paying tribute to Fat Mike. There is video surveillance of them holding court together at a Chinese restaurant on Wentworth, in old Chinatown

Sarno was beloved by all, that’s why he became The Guy. He was Bobby Salerno’s protégé & was mentored by Andriacchi. Vena loves him as well, and they went partners on several businesses together & were taking lavish trips together. Sarno was well liked across the board, obviously. Where do you come off with this crap? Who even are you :lol:

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Snakes » Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:18 pm

RushStreet wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:27 pm Sarno higher in command than Caruso? Thanks for the laugh.
He was at the time. You're stuck in 2012 ANP where people assumed that just because Sarno was a big fat rough looking guy that people laughed behind his back when everything that's come out about him since shows him as anything but. The guy is a career criminal who did multiple bids in prison and is in the middle of another one. What's hard to understand about this?

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by NorthBuffalo » Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:13 pm

RushStreet wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:27 pm Sarno higher in command than Caruso? Thanks for the laugh.
Scott is wearing a hoodie in his last YouTube on the Outfit where he circulates all common-knowledge - a hoodie. Not even a brand name one. How can you promote a guy like that on this forum? Are you riding him over his fashion choices?

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Snakes » Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:06 pm

Coloboy wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:33 pm
RushStreet wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:27 pm Sarno higher in command than Caruso? Thanks for the laugh.
Sarno was the boss of the Chicago Outfit at that time, what's the confusion? FBI indicated that Caruso was indeed kicking up to him...because ya know...he was the boss. Same source also indicated that Sarno was in turn either kicking up to Difronzo or sharing profits with him in some fashion.

The obsession with clothing is really odd. I saw that you had an identical thread going on the gangsterbb site about clothes.
Also goes against people on this board who live in Chicago going to Capri and seeing with their own eyes guys from different crews all eating together.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Wiseguy » Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:37 pm

RushStreet wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:27 pm Sarno higher in command than Caruso? Thanks for the laugh.
Does Caruso have shinier shoes?

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Coloboy » Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:33 pm

RushStreet wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:27 pm Sarno higher in command than Caruso? Thanks for the laugh.
Sarno was the boss of the Chicago Outfit at that time, what's the confusion? FBI indicated that Caruso was indeed kicking up to him...because ya know...he was the boss. Same source also indicated that Sarno was in turn either kicking up to Difronzo or sharing profits with him in some fashion.

The obsession with clothing is really odd. I saw that you had an identical thread going on the gangsterbb site about clothes.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by RushStreet » Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:27 pm

Sarno higher in command than Caruso? Thanks for the laugh.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Wiseguy » Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:20 pm

Coloboy wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:26 pm FWIW...members of the EP Crew and the Cicero Crew are more frequently seen socializing together in public at places like Capri, so it's even possible that instead of a 26th/cicero crew and an EP/Grand crew....we have something totally different.
That sort of goes to my point. It seems more and more we're seeing guys thought to be with different crews together. As the Outfit's world gets smaller, it makes sense they would consolidate and streamline even more. After all, when you have a max of 15 identified made members - all of them senior citizens and several inactive - how likely is it they can even staff four separate crews at this point?
RushStreet wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:32 pm Sorry to break it to everyone but the current guys in the Cicero crew are not very accepted by guys in the other crews, and never have been. Everyone thought Sarno was a fat tub of lard that looked like a slob. The only crew that really accepted him was his own.

Its just how it is.
Your clothing critique aside, at least one informant had Sarno higher in chain of command than Caruso, who it was alleged kicked up money to Sarno. And Sarno, if I remember right, was said by the same source(s) to be kicking up money to Elmwood Park. So I'm not sure he was as isolated as you're making it sound.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by RushStreet » Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:47 pm

In regards to that previous comment what I am really saying is that Cicero pretty much is a glorified crew and does their own thing. They really are not respected by many outside of their little clique. Except for maybe a couple of the bosses but thats about it.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by RushStreet » Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:32 pm

Sorry to break it to everyone but the current guys in the Cicero crew are not very accepted by guys in the other crews, and never have been. Everyone thought Sarno was a fat tub of lard that looked like a slob. The only crew that really accepted him was his own.

Its just how it is.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Coloboy » Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:26 pm

FWIW...members of the EP Crew and the Cicero Crew are more frequently seen socializing together in public at places like Capri, so it's even possible that instead of a 26th/cicero crew and an EP/Grand crew....we have something totally different.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Wiseguy » Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:28 am

Snakes wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:20 amAgain, I'm not arguing vociferously about the veracity of the above names, I'm just trying to pinpoint what the FBI thought at a particular time and place.
I get that. Which is one reason why I did that list a while back. Even if we don't take any single FBI figure at a particular time and place as fact, looking at those nearly 60 names over the last quarter century, one either has to assume there have been several undentified by the feds for some time now or that the Outfit has made a lot of guys along the way. I just don't see much evidence for either.

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