THE BLACK HAND FORUM

aray22 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:24 pm

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:26 pm

aray22 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:59 pm

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:00 am

JohnnyS wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:40 am
Sammy Aparo was shelved by Barney and Genovese members showed up to his wake. I guess it depends.

I always thought that Genovese members were allowed to attend out of respect for Sammy’s son who was a made guy also.

In reference to Frank so many members from all families showing up to a funeral for a guy who was on the shelf for so long is very odd. Maybe there’s more to it we don’t know.

Vito Grimaldi was on the shelf. When Pennisi and Anthony Guzzo had that fight with the Genovese crew Jamie Delio who was on the shelf was there with Ralph Balsamo. Pennisi also mentioned a time his captain asked him to go see Frank Lastorino to send him a message. I'm sure there are different cases out there but it seems pretty clear there is typically some communication between the family and the shelved member.

Yeah there are plenty of examples and of course there is some communication between the family and the guys on the shelf. Pete Lovaglio was on the shelf and wired up when he went to Joe Cammaranos house to talk to him! I think what happened here is that Lastorino was liked by mostly everyone and people didn’t agree with him being on the shelf. He was a stand up guy who did a ton of work but Vic had a hard on for him and there’s nothing anyone could do about it. So many guys from all families showing up to pay respects is a rebuke of Amuso and his decision to shelve Frank.

There was also the story of Pennisi going to Dom Truscello's house and getting introduced to Anthony Grado who was on the shelf.

UTC wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:19 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:34 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:19 am From the way it reads Lastorino was no longer on the shelf when he died.

Do we know up until when Pennisi had him shelved?

Being on the shelf doesn't prevent members paying respects at a funeral, IIRC?

I think the confusing verbiage in the article is:

"But sources on both sides of the law say the crime family's punishment against Big Frank wasn't permanent."

The punishment being the shelving, and the article saying he only had a problem with his family for a few years, makes it sound like he was shelved for only a short time. That would be peculiar in my book. So the issue to me is not whether going to a funeral proves anything, but whether Capece and his claimed sources "on both sides of the law" are full of it.

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:26 pm

aray22 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:59 pm

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:00 am

JohnnyS wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:40 am
Sammy Aparo was shelved by Barney and Genovese members showed up to his wake. I guess it depends.

I always thought that Genovese members were allowed to attend out of respect for Sammy’s son who was a made guy also.

In reference to Frank so many members from all families showing up to a funeral for a guy who was on the shelf for so long is very odd. Maybe there’s more to it we don’t know.

Vito Grimaldi was on the shelf. When Pennisi and Anthony Guzzo had that fight with the Genovese crew Jamie Delio who was on the shelf was there with Ralph Balsamo. Pennisi also mentioned a time his captain asked him to go see Frank Lastorino to send him a message. I'm sure there are different cases out there but it seems pretty clear there is typically some communication between the family and the shelved member.

Yeah there are plenty of examples and of course there is some communication between the family and the guys on the shelf. Pete Lovaglio was on the shelf and wired up when he went to Joe Cammaranos house to talk to him! I think what happened here is that Lastorino was liked by mostly everyone and people didn’t agree with him being on the shelf. He was a stand up guy who did a ton of work but Vic had a hard on for him and there’s nothing anyone could do about it. So many guys from all families showing up to pay respects is a rebuke of Amuso and his decision to shelve Frank.

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:34 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:19 am From the way it reads Lastorino was no longer on the shelf when he died.

Do we know up until when Pennisi had him shelved?

Being on the shelf doesn't prevent members paying respects at a funeral, IIRC?

aray22 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:59 pm

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:00 am

JohnnyS wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:40 am
Sammy Aparo was shelved by Barney and Genovese members showed up to his wake. I guess it depends.

I always thought that Genovese members were allowed to attend out of respect for Sammy’s son who was a made guy also.

In reference to Frank so many members from all families showing up to a funeral for a guy who was on the shelf for so long is very odd. Maybe there’s more to it we don’t know.

Vito Grimaldi was on the shelf. When Pennisi and Anthony Guzzo had that fight with the Genovese crew Jamie Delio who was on the shelf was there with Ralph Balsamo. Pennisi also mentioned a time his captain asked him to go see Frank Lastorino to send him a message. I'm sure there are different cases out there but it seems pretty clear there is typically some communication between the family and the shelved member.

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:00 am

JohnnyS wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:40 am
Sammy Aparo was shelved by Barney and Genovese members showed up to his wake. I guess it depends.

I always thought that Genovese members were allowed to attend out of respect for Sammy’s son who was a made guy also.

In reference to Frank so many members from all families showing up to a funeral for a guy who was on the shelf for so long is very odd. Maybe there’s more to it we don’t know.

JohnnyS wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:40 am
Sammy Aparo was shelved by Barney and Genovese members showed up to his wake. I guess it depends.

Browniety86 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:13 pm

JohnnyS wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:40 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:34 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:19 am From the way it reads Lastorino was no longer on the shelf when he died.

Do we know up until when Pennisi had him shelved?

Being on the shelf doesn't prevent members paying respects at a funeral, IIRC?

He was still on the shelf when Pennisi flipped. He said that Lastorino wouldn't get off it as long as Amuso is boss.

Sammy Aparo was shelved by Barney and Genovese members showed up to his wake. I guess it depends.

Why was Sammy Meatballs shelved? Cause of the Cookie D'Urso thing?

JohnnyS wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:40 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:34 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:19 am From the way it reads Lastorino was no longer on the shelf when he died.

Do we know up until when Pennisi had him shelved?

Being on the shelf doesn't prevent members paying respects at a funeral, IIRC?

He was still on the shelf when Pennisi flipped. He said that Lastorino wouldn't get off it as long as Amuso is boss.

Sammy Aparo was shelved by Barney and Genovese members showed up to his wake. I guess it depends.

JohnnyS wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:18 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:49 am So Joe Lanni is in fact capo. Noted....

He's been a captain for 5 or 6 years now.

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:34 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:19 am From the way it reads Lastorino was no longer on the shelf when he died.

Do we know up until when Pennisi had him shelved?

Being on the shelf doesn't prevent members paying respects at a funeral, IIRC?

Southshore88 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:53 pm

Pmac2 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:00 pm The way I read it sounds like he was in that guy joe Cafe crew.

That’s interesting, I thought the same thing