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Re: LA

by CornerBoy » Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:20 pm

Newyorkempire wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:52 pm
CornerBoy wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:57 am B/c I don't need the money and I don't want to go to jail.

i simply think some criminal group is missing out on standardizing the gambling in a place that has so many wealthy gamblers inside a 10 mile radius

The fat guy w the philly accent who used to run Tail 'O Pup on La Cienega and 3rd took action same with a massive real estate guys' #2 (bitch boy) guy
who is Irish from Newark originally
You wont go to jail. Gambling is just a slap on the wrist and you have to insulate yourself well.

You must be a millionaire if you dont need the big money that can come from running a gambling ring in this area of rich gamblers.
Lol. I’m there 60 days a year. I WOuldnt have a chance to set up properly! I work hard enough. I used to see isgro all the time on Canon and on Brighton way at Brighton coffee shop. Not impressive. I live much further west and hate BHills and West Hollywood

Re: LA

by CornerBoy » Fri Nov 11, 2022 8:57 am

im not saying its for me but i was putting the idea out there as "why doesn't some organized crime group tactfully take thsi all over"

That life is not for me, I'm in my 40's

Re: LA

by Pogo The Clown » Thu Nov 10, 2022 7:53 am

Wow. A smart decision out of Commiefornia voters. Hell just might freeze over.


Pogo

Re: LA

by Wiseguy » Thu Nov 10, 2022 7:23 am

Interestingly, California voters have rejected legalized sports betting in the state.

Re: LA

by PolackTony » Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:49 pm

aleksandrored wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:51 pm If I'm not mistaken, something like this is said in this radio documentary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vOpMHQhBpQ
Obrigado, amigo meu. I’ll give it a listen when I have a chance.

An older example of the same problem for the viability of LCN in terms of racket control was Chicago’s attempt to take over rackets in Dallas in the 1940s. A CI told the Feds that Chicago failed in this for the same reasons that the local Dallas mafia had failed to really ever scale up to form a significant criminal “syndicate”: the Italian community there was small and criminal rackets were largely controlled by non-Italians. The terrain was not well-suited for LCN criminal operations to really thrive.
The Greek wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:02 pm Every illegal card game in LA is run by the Armenians. 10% rake per pot up to $25-50 depending on the stakes. They're catered with buffets and girls. They move around obviously.
Based on what little I know about LA, I would’ve guessed that, apart from La Eme, the Armenians and possibly the Persians might be in a position to organize some amount of gambling there (East Asian groups as well, of course). Question would be to what degree these groups would be able to cross-over into the country club crowd others have brought up earlier.


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There’s a reason that OC syndicates and mafia-type organizations often have a strongly ethnic dimension (not just LCN and other US groups, but Jewish OC in Russia/Ukraine, Corsicans in France, or the Yakuza, postulated to have started among ethnic Koreans and quasi-ethnic occupational caste groups at the margins of society).
In already structuring a shared group identity, ethnicity marks a clear insider/outsider distinction and thus offers a basis to form a circle of trust. Some means of forming and maintaining a circle of trust is critical for the operation of OC syndicates, generally speaking. LCN, for example, has never operated in a vacuum in the US or exercised control over criminal rackets without being embedded within some broader social context. Families developed and racket territories were typically established in places that had tightly-knit Sicilian/Southern Italian communities. In many cities, the mob had little power or control of activities beyond these communities. In his study of the mob in Chicago, criminologist Robert Lombardo has underscored the importance of what he terms “racket subcultures”, essentially dense networks of cultural values and social relationships that enable criminal racket operations, which were deeply embedded within Chicago’s Italian communities (and extended beyond them to some degree). These broader dynamics, extending far outside the formal mafia organization, were and are a vital element of the past vitality and continuing viability of LCN. The erosion of these Italian-dominated racket subcultures has, IMO, been as much of a factor in the decline of LCN as LE pressure (and there is obviously interplay between these factors as well, which makes any causal claim as to LCN’s decline and continuing viability more complicated than highlighting one central factor).

Thinking of a group attempting to organize something like a gambling syndicate in contemporary LA, one has to also think, what racket subcultures exist there? Who is already in a position to exploit the opportunities of these? What would serve to form a circle of trust for a viable and large-scale gambling syndicate to form and remain viable?

Re: LA

by Patrickgold » Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:21 pm

These days if you pay protection you better get something in return like protection against law enforcement. If you can’t offer that then why pay protection? I know bookies in Chicago that had people try to squeeze them and they just told them if they contact them again they are going to the feds and that was the last they heard from them.

Re: LA

by PPPP » Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:38 pm

CornerBoy wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:50 pm In glendale- but couldn't someone slowly take over all the gambling on the westside of LA? Even hancock park, larchmont area, that hipster area which escapes me at the moment.. silverlake. someone could sit in nate and al's or the hotel bel air--best would be 4 seasons on doheny where whores who live in the shit condos across the street on the corner of 3rd and doheny- make deals with the mgr for the last 20 years!!!
They could. But they probably don't because no one wants too? Sounds easier in theory.

Re: LA

by PPPP » Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:34 pm

The Greek wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:02 pm Every illegal card game in LA is run by the Armenians. 10% rake per pot up to $25-50 depending on the stakes. They're catered with buffets and girls. They move around obviously. There's a really popular one near me that is usually on Ventura Blvd between Studio City and Woodland Hills. Rake is too high though and the dealers are in on the scam. I happily drive to Huslter or The Bike or HP. As far as betting goes every one of my friends bets sports illegally so it goes on obviously. Coincidentally on the ballot today is a measure that would allow sports betting at Indian Casinos only. All the card rooms are lobbying against it.
Friend of mine is a professional card player. Goes between LA and Vegas. He said LA has the most independent games. Biggest place for professional card players.

I voted for both of those measures. I don't know why anyone wouldn't?

Re: LA

by aleksandrored » Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:51 pm

PolackTony wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:03 pm FWIW, following the indictment of LA boss Dominic Brooklier in 1978, Chicago reportedly attempted to move in and re-organize LCN rackets like gambling and juice in SoCal. This seems to have mainly been spearheaded by Paulie Schiro and Joey Hansen under Tony Spilotro, and Vito Spillone, who was probably under Frank "The Horse" Buccieri, Palm Springs-based brother of deceased Chicago captain Fifi Buccieri. Spillone and his guys wound up getting pinched in 1984 and convicted in '86 on racketeering and extortion charges for running a big juice loan operation out of his grocery store in South El Monte. In 1986 Tony and Michael Spilotro, of course, got whacked out back in Chicago. It would seem that Chicago's attempt to establish a major racket presence in SoCal failed, likely due at least in part to what Joel highlighted above, presumably also why the local "outfit" in LA had declined so much by that time; the lack of the kind of entrenched Italian communities that the mob depended on "Back East". Especially blue-collar rackets like juice and extortion, in a place like LA it just seems that it was way too easy for them to get exposed and shut down by LE. They didn't have anything like the kind of street/community culture that the mob flourished within back in Chicago (and which assumed that people in the community typically don't go to the cops, understand how the game works, know how to mind their own business, are terrified of crossing the mob, etc), not to mention the dense networks of connections to local LE, judges, politicians, etc.
If I'm not mistaken, something like this is said in this radio documentary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vOpMHQhBpQ

Re: LA

by Newyorkempire » Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:21 pm

JoeCamel wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:59 pm
CornerBoy wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:57 am B/c I don't need the money and I don't want to go to jail.

i simply think some criminal group is missing out on standardizing the gambling in a place that has so many wealthy gamblers inside a 10 mile radius

The fat guy w the philly accent who used to run Tail 'O Pup on La Cienega and 3rd took action same with a massive real estate guys' #2 (bitch boy) guy
who is Irish from Newark originally

Get me an apartment in a decent part of town, a plane ticket, some walking around money, I’ll do it. I’ll kick up to you and everything
Im in too. He can afford us a beach condo not an apartment silly.

Re: LA

by TallGuy19 » Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:09 pm

JoeCamel wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:59 pm
CornerBoy wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:57 am B/c I don't need the money and I don't want to go to jail.

i simply think some criminal group is missing out on standardizing the gambling in a place that has so many wealthy gamblers inside a 10 mile radius

The fat guy w the philly accent who used to run Tail 'O Pup on La Cienega and 3rd took action same with a massive real estate guys' #2 (bitch boy) guy
who is Irish from Newark originally

Get me an apartment in a decent part of town, a plane ticket, some walking around money, I’ll do it. I’ll kick up to you and everything
Get ahold of Joe Isgro and see if he'll put you on record and bankroll your operation.

Re: LA

by JoeCamel » Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:59 pm

CornerBoy wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:57 am B/c I don't need the money and I don't want to go to jail.

i simply think some criminal group is missing out on standardizing the gambling in a place that has so many wealthy gamblers inside a 10 mile radius

The fat guy w the philly accent who used to run Tail 'O Pup on La Cienega and 3rd took action same with a massive real estate guys' #2 (bitch boy) guy
who is Irish from Newark originally

Get me an apartment in a decent part of town, a plane ticket, some walking around money, I’ll do it. I’ll kick up to you and everything

Re: LA

by Newyorkempire » Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:52 pm

CornerBoy wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:57 am B/c I don't need the money and I don't want to go to jail.

i simply think some criminal group is missing out on standardizing the gambling in a place that has so many wealthy gamblers inside a 10 mile radius

The fat guy w the philly accent who used to run Tail 'O Pup on La Cienega and 3rd took action same with a massive real estate guys' #2 (bitch boy) guy
who is Irish from Newark originally
You wont go to jail. Gambling is just a slap on the wrist and you have to insulate yourself well.

You must be a millionaire if you dont need the big money that can come from running a gambling ring in this area of rich gamblers.

Re: LA

by CornerBoy » Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:57 am

B/c I don't need the money and I don't want to go to jail.

i simply think some criminal group is missing out on standardizing the gambling in a place that has so many wealthy gamblers inside a 10 mile radius

The fat guy w the philly accent who used to run Tail 'O Pup on La Cienega and 3rd took action same with a massive real estate guys' #2 (bitch boy) guy
who is Irish from Newark originally

Re: LA

by Newyorkempire » Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:08 am

CornerBoy wrote: Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:50 pm In glendale- but couldn't someone slowly take over all the gambling on the westside of LA? Even hancock park, larchmont area, that hipster area which escapes me at the moment.. silverlake. someone could sit in nate and al's or the hotel bel air--best would be 4 seasons on doheny where whores who live in the shit condos across the street on the corner of 3rd and doheny- make deals with the mgr for the last 20 years!!!
You sound like you want this to happen so bad. Why dont you put together a crew and do it???

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