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Re: luigi ronisvalle- murder is my business

by NYNighthawk » Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:28 pm

what Luigi said to Guiliani was when he asked him about the shootings/murders he did replied - I don't kill no one! You - who paid me - you killed him! I just shot the bullet in the gun.

Re: luigi ronisvalle- murder is my business

by Pmac2 » Mon Nov 28, 2022 5:21 am

Any body read. Winters here I might read a book it's been along time. This any good. The guy was a nut but maybe since it's written with that former DA it will balance

Re: luigi ronisvalle- murder is my business

by antimafia » Sun Nov 27, 2022 11:53 pm

Luigi Ronsisvalle was the Forrest Gump of the mafia—in the middle of everything https://nypost.com/2022/11/26/luigi-ron ... the-mafia/

Re: luigi ronisvalle- murder is my business

by CornerBoy » Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:43 am

i tend to get bored by books that focus solely on the trials, courtroom type stuff but I must concede I only read a portion of the Alexander book. is it all legal stuff? Thanks so much

Re: luigi ronisvalle- murder is my business

by Boatdrinks » Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:13 pm

I like the Shana Alexander book. Some parts of the book are very entertaining and funny.
For those unfamiliar with it, Alexander wanted to do a big trial book. In choosing the trial, she did not want one that she would get too emotionally involved in. The other big thing, was to be able to have the lawyers share their thoughts with her. this was originally agreed, but then the prosecution pulled out, so it ended more one sided.
The book basically starts with the very sudden death of Carmine Galante. This is told in a very dramatic, minute by minute way, as it happened, and the background to it is covered too. This was meant to be the grand opening of the prosecution case, however, the judge thought it not proved for the case and threw it out.
The big problems with the book, are that the case is so big, and dragged on for so long, with a huge number of defendents all with similar names, and the same applied to the lawyers too. the background stories of the lawyers, and how they got recruited, are interesting. So too, the skills of the lawyers and their different styles. Some of these guys were top notch, for example, Louis Freech went on to run the FBI. Other lawyers were eccentrics, or novices, or mob-lawyers.
Different lawyers had different strategies. These sometimes clashed. Some lawyers were brilliant.
I was recently thinking about this book, and wondered if it actually clearly explained who the players were, and who their associates were. I am not sure it does. Most of the major mob players feature, so too, the FBI undercovers.
Some of the defence cases are a real scream, so too some of the side humour that took place. There are also the darker and sadder parts too.
I do wonder how factual the account is, some of the names of bit-part actors seem to be made up.
However, it seems pretty factual, and I love court trial books, especially this one.
For those who like big trial books, that go into the detail, then 'Connection' is great, certainly as far as I am concerned.
Another, similar book, is the big New Jersey trial of Anthony Accetturo and his associates. By the way, his lawyer was David Critchley. At first I wondered if this was the writer, but it was not. Lawyer Critchley was a blue-collar New Jersey roofer who went off to study and became a lawyer. Writer Critchley is a British guy.
I love the 'Pizza' book. If I had to pick out a favourite part, it was the witness describing the coalitions at the construction site etc.
The book is heavy going. Alexander herself says as much. She puts in lists of characters etc, and says check who they are to follow things. She said she had to make lists and check notes all the time, to follow what was happening.
Those NYC and NJ trials were of a huge size and length. If you like trials, try the books!

Re: luigi ronisvalle- murder is my business

by CabriniGreen » Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:35 pm

Had to check.... The Pizza Connection is the lawyer book

Re: luigi ronisvalle- murder is my business

by CabriniGreen » Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:35 pm

PolackTony wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:49 pm
CornerBoy wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:43 pm Thanks polacktony- he was the writer that luigi recanted to with ivan fisher?

This luigi was nuts and i didn't know most of that. i only read 20 percent of octopus by claire sterling

Is the book you recommended above very trial intensive or focused more on street action / mafia shit?

Any other reading recommendations? im not too bright but i can read very fast and listen to audible on 1.5 speed
Yeah, Blumenthal was a staff reporter for the Times who covered the Knickerbocker Ave and Pizza Connection stuff and accompanied Fisher for Ronsivalle’s recantation.

“Last Days…” is definitely not particularly trial focused. Blumenthal mainly frames the events of the era around Carmine Russo and Charles Rooney, two FBI assigned to investigate the Galante murder and its aftermath. I haven’t read “The Pizza Connection” by Shana Alexander, but my understanding is that it is much more focused on the trial itself.

I personally think that if one really wants to grasp what was happening with the Knickerbocker/Giannini, Cherry Hill, Pizza Connection (I.e., “zip”) stuff in this period it really helps to also have a good grasp also on what was happening in Sicily during this time. Don’t know if you’ve read much of that, but some good starting points (IMO) would be “Excellent Cadavers” by Alexander Stille and “Cosa Nostra” and/or “Mafia Republic” by John Dickie.
I kinda remember it being a boring lawyer book...

Re: luigi ronisvalle- murder is my business

by CornerBoy » Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:17 pm

the shana alexander one sucked only made it halfway if thqt- thaats why i asked---thanks!!!!!!!!

Re: luigi ronisvalle- murder is my business

by PolackTony » Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:49 pm

CornerBoy wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:43 pm Thanks polacktony- he was the writer that luigi recanted to with ivan fisher?

This luigi was nuts and i didn't know most of that. i only read 20 percent of octopus by claire sterling

Is the book you recommended above very trial intensive or focused more on street action / mafia shit?

Any other reading recommendations? im not too bright but i can read very fast and listen to audible on 1.5 speed
Yeah, Blumenthal was a staff reporter for the Times who covered the Knickerbocker Ave and Pizza Connection stuff and accompanied Fisher for Ronsivalle’s recantation.

“Last Days…” is definitely not particularly trial focused. Blumenthal mainly frames the events of the era around Carmine Russo and Charles Rooney, two FBI assigned to investigate the Galante murder and its aftermath. I haven’t read “The Pizza Connection” by Shana Alexander, but my understanding is that it is much more focused on the trial itself.

I personally think that if one really wants to grasp what was happening with the Knickerbocker/Giannini, Cherry Hill, Pizza Connection (I.e., “zip”) stuff in this period it really helps to also have a good grasp also on what was happening in Sicily during this time. Don’t know if you’ve read much of that, but some good starting points (IMO) would be “Excellent Cadavers” by Alexander Stille and “Cosa Nostra” and/or “Mafia Republic” by John Dickie.

Re: luigi ronisvalle- murder is my business

by CornerBoy » Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:43 pm

Thanks polacktony- he was the writer that luigi recanted to with ivan fisher?

This luigi was nuts and i didn't know most of that. i only read 20 percent of octopus by claire sterling

Is the book you recommended above very trial intensive or focused more on street action / mafia shit?

Any other reading recommendations? im not too bright but i can read very fast and listen to audible on 1.5 speed

Re: luigi ronisvalle- murder is my business

by CornerBoy » Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:56 am

MY BAD GUYS! I WASN'T DONE WITH BEFORE I OPENED MY FAT MOUTH. IT SEEMS THEY ARE ALL REAL CATALANO, GALANTE, and now I know that d'aquanna and laporti are real i was totally wrong. GOOD BOOK. THIS ONES ON ME, DIDN'T MEAN TO BESMIRCH THE AUTHOR OR THE BOOK. ALSO READ THE PURPLE GANG BOOK. BOTH ARE GREAT,

40 lbs of heroin per trip?!! this was a billion dollar operation in todays money.

Re: luigi ronisvalle- murder is my business

by johnny_scootch » Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:56 pm

From the book on the name change situation

‘In addition, we have changed some names to protect the identity of informants and those in witness protection programs. We have purposely avoided identifying and of Luigi’s family.’

Re: luigi ronisvalle- murder is my business

by PolackTony » Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:40 pm

Adam wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:18 pm So names are changed in the book? I was really hoping for an honest informative book. Like a lot of us we've all known that Ronsisvalle had tons of information that would be fascinating. Makes me sad if names are changed.
When I skimmed the Ronsisvalle book, it seemed that there was very little in it that wasn’t in his testimony. I had high hopes also, and it didn’t help to shed any more light at all on the stuff I was hoping to get some insight into (the big Sal Catalano to Chicago heroin operation in the late 70s).

Re: luigi ronisvalle- murder is my business

by PolackTony » Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:29 pm

CornerBoy wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:01 pm are a'guanna and laporta real? in the intro vecchione says a lot of names are changed. maybe i just don't know who they are. Thats on me!
Those two are 100% real.

The names of the guys associated with the Chicago stuff are also the same as in Ronsisvalle’s testimony also (Frank Lombardo, “Carlo”, “Appuzzo”, Felice Puma, Enzo Napoli, Mario Maimone, Giuseppe Mirabile).

Paolo and Giovanni LaPorta were big heroin guys from Bagheria (same hometown as the Ragusas and Andrea Aiello who was part of the heroin network to Buffalo in this period; this group also seems to have had connections to Chicago where a bunch of Sicilians from Bagheria settled as well). They were connected to the Bonannos and I believe also the Cherry Hill Gambinos and the Philly Family. The LaPorta network was infiltrated by undercover DEA agent Frank Panessa, who has been on Jimmy B and Scott B’s podcast a couple of times (well worth the listen). The LaPortas were working with a guy from Castellammare del Golfo named Alberto Ficalora, who was based in Lansdale, PA, and they also had operations in Puerto Rico.

You said that you read Claire Sterling’s “Octopus”. If you’re interested in the Knickerbocker Ave stuff, “Last Days of the Sicilians” by Ralph Blumenthal is a must read.

Re: luigi ronisvalle- murder is my business

by CornerBoy » Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:56 pm

I doubt he actually made billions. People grossly overestimate the amount of money mobsters make. There's no way to prove exactly how much a particular wiseguy is/was worth, and some writers let their imagination run wild. One documentary claimed that Carlo Gambino was worth $800 million, which is absurd.
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im sure the numbers are very exxagerated but even if its 1m per week net.........

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