by newera_212 » Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:39 am
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:18 pm
newera_212 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:05 amJust like everything else the baby got thrown out with the bathwater though and it's obviously led to some problems. The media absolutely creams themselves whenever someone who gets ROR'ed or released without bail commits another crime shortly after though. That's their bread and butter right now.
It's led to
some problems? No cash "bail reform" has been an absolute disaster in every state it's in.
I don't follow other states too much and again, the bail reform thing is the media's bread and butter right now - but I know in NY this could have been stemmed by hiring more prosecutors and whoever does case reviews (paralegals? I don't know who that would be honestly) to speed things up for people. So someone who jumped a subway turnstile could be released the same night instead of possibly losing employment/housing because it took too long for them to get out.
At the same time though, for most 'regular' people - they would be ROR'ed on something like that in the first place. Someone with warrants, extensive priors, or possession of a weapon while they happened to jump the turnstile, they were never ROR'ed and were held, arraigned, etc. and had to do a jail stint if needed. As it should be.
Another baby-with-the-bathwater approach , monday morning quarterbacking bullshit - but I haven't really done any serious research yet into the actual nitty gritty; IF there really is a one sized fits all approach, and if there really is... what the reason behind it ostensibly is. Some half baked conspiracy theory thinking that I've heard of "if they treat the criminals good, they're buying up their good will, and ensuring themselves more votes" is bullshit because most of the cases we hear about in the media revolve around felons who can't vote and most likely wouldn't if they could.
Anyway two childhood friends/old neighbors of mine died of a heroin/fentanyl OD a few months apart and the drug dealer who was arrested over it made the news because he was released with no cash bail. Have no idea why or what the point of that was, he's had a ton of drug arrests and priors in the past. No weapons on the most recent case I guess. He was eventually prosecuted and is in prison now. Another anecdote - I know someone who was a really good kid and was arrested on suspicion of gun possession , not actual gun possession. A cop said he saw him stash a gun in a trash can outside of a very large apartment building that had drug activity there. He was hemmed up and put through the system and it took him over a month before it was thrown out (no gun recovered in said trashcan) because he couldn't afford the bail. In that time he lost his fairly decent paying job and his mother died. The whole thing is a mess and I agree, letting "everyone" walk is not a solution - but I'm curious to know if "everyone" really are walking... every single random act of violence in a major city is now correlated or crowbarred into bail reform, some of that has to be bullshit.
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[quote=newera_212 post_id=242862 time=1667495151 user_id=5522]Just like everything else the baby got thrown out with the bathwater though and it's obviously led to some problems. The media absolutely creams themselves whenever someone who gets ROR'ed or released without bail commits another crime shortly after though. That's their bread and butter right now.
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It's led to [i]some[/i] problems? No cash "bail reform" has been an absolute disaster in every state it's in.
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I don't follow other states too much and again, the bail reform thing is the media's bread and butter right now - but I know in NY this could have been stemmed by hiring more prosecutors and whoever does case reviews (paralegals? I don't know who that would be honestly) to speed things up for people. So someone who jumped a subway turnstile could be released the same night instead of possibly losing employment/housing because it took too long for them to get out.
At the same time though, for most 'regular' people - they would be ROR'ed on something like that in the first place. Someone with warrants, extensive priors, or possession of a weapon while they happened to jump the turnstile, they were never ROR'ed and were held, arraigned, etc. and had to do a jail stint if needed. As it should be.
Another baby-with-the-bathwater approach , monday morning quarterbacking bullshit - but I haven't really done any serious research yet into the actual nitty gritty; IF there really is a one sized fits all approach, and if there really is... what the reason behind it ostensibly is. Some half baked conspiracy theory thinking that I've heard of "if they treat the criminals good, they're buying up their good will, and ensuring themselves more votes" is bullshit because most of the cases we hear about in the media revolve around felons who can't vote and most likely wouldn't if they could.
Anyway two childhood friends/old neighbors of mine died of a heroin/fentanyl OD a few months apart and the drug dealer who was arrested over it made the news because he was released with no cash bail. Have no idea why or what the point of that was, he's had a ton of drug arrests and priors in the past. No weapons on the most recent case I guess. He was eventually prosecuted and is in prison now. Another anecdote - I know someone who was a really good kid and was arrested on suspicion of gun possession , not actual gun possession. A cop said he saw him stash a gun in a trash can outside of a very large apartment building that had drug activity there. He was hemmed up and put through the system and it took him over a month before it was thrown out (no gun recovered in said trashcan) because he couldn't afford the bail. In that time he lost his fairly decent paying job and his mother died. The whole thing is a mess and I agree, letting "everyone" walk is not a solution - but I'm curious to know if "everyone" really are walking... every single random act of violence in a major city is now correlated or crowbarred into bail reform, some of that has to be bullshit.