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Re: New LCNBios posts

by B. » Sun Feb 16, 2025 1:24 pm

We've discussed it fairly in-depth since the claim came out.

New Orleans was certainly the first US Family given that's where all the mafiosi first arrived and there is documented mafia activity going back to the middle of the 19th century. Scarpa was told by Joe Colombo too (who had just met the NO leadership) that NO was the first Family and as a matter of respect didn't have to report to the Commission.

However, D'Arco was not alone in his belief. DeCavalcante captain Anthony Rotondo testified that the DeCavalcantes were the oldest Family in the country and captain Charlie Stango similarly said the DeCavalcantes are the "oldest crew in the country" and "originated the Five Families". Stango's comment brings to mind what D'Arco was told about the Luccheses branching off from the New Jersey Family. Adding to this is that Gerry Angiulo was recorded telling Larry Zannino that Sam DeCavalcante's Family was "one of the fuckin' oldest Families out there". So there was a perception in New Jersey and Boston that the DeCavalcantes were either the oldest or one of the oldest Families.

So D'Arco isn't alone in thinking New Jersey relates to the origins of the American mafia but what complicates that is my belief that the DeCavalcantes started in NYC. There was a Riberese colony with mafia-connected surnames in NYC by 1892 at the latest and I personally believe this was the genesis of the DeCavalcantes, at least in the NYC/NJ area.

But it is hard to reconcile this with the overwhelming evidence that New Orleans was where the American mafia initially formed. However, we are missing the formal details on what was going on in NO back then. I wrote about this in my Alabama article but one way to reconcile these accounts could be that Riberesi or figures otherwise relevant to the DeCavalcantes initially lived in New Orleans and therefore the DeCavalcantes trace themselves "spiritually" to this group but that's entirely speculative. We also can't be sure if this New Jersey "La Chiesa" group D'Arco heard about was actually the DeCavalcantes or the separate Newark Family.

Re: New LCNBios posts

by Little_Al1991 » Sun Feb 16, 2025 4:05 am

In regards to the post about Joseph Schiavo

“One of the claims Schiavo made to D'Arco was that the first LCN Family in the United States was in Newark. Known as La Chiesa (the Church), D'Arco stated the Lucchese Family was 'the descendant of that first group'. (Most sources agree that New Orleans was the first Family.)”

Was that the first LCN family or was it in New Orleans?

Re: New LCNBios posts

by quadtree » Sat Feb 15, 2025 12:22 pm

Re: New LCNBios posts

by Pogo The Clown » Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:17 am

Updated with some good 1970s Lucchese stuff.


Pogo

Re: New LCNBios posts

by ng » Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:58 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 12:46 pm
Raven wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 9:05 am Anyone know who the Arthur Frangello is in the frank rizzo post? Never seen that name before.
Dude I almost threw my laptop across the room when I saw your bio pic
:lol: i second that

Re: New LCNBios posts

by johnny_scootch » Tue Jan 07, 2025 7:28 am

That list has been floating around for years, I was hoping it was one of the ones we haven't seen taken from Gotti's basement.

Re: New LCNBios posts

by Tonyd621 » Tue Jan 07, 2025 7:15 am

It's got a a Patty "DeLaRusso" replacing a "Sam Militari"

Re: New LCNBios posts

by Tonyd621 » Tue Jan 07, 2025 7:14 am

There is a new one up on Philip Alberti.
https://lcnbios.blogspot.com/2025/01/ph ... e.html?m=1
Really cool handwritten induction list at the bottom of the post

Re: New LCNBios posts

by Tonyd621 » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:53 pm

https://lcnbios.blogspot.com/?m=1

New one for you Milwaukee fans on a Dimaggio.

Re: New LCNBios posts

by johnny_scootch » Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:09 pm

New post; Bonanno family chart 1978, not a very good one.

https://lcnbios.blogspot.com/

Re: New LCNBios posts

by SonnyBlackstein » Sat Nov 30, 2024 12:46 pm

Raven wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 9:05 am Anyone know who the Arthur Frangello is in the frank rizzo post? Never seen that name before.
Dude I almost threw my laptop across the room when I saw your bio pic

Re: New LCNBios posts

by Ivan » Thu Nov 28, 2024 8:29 pm

Nasabeak wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:38 pm Does the guy behind LCN Bios post here?
yes, here is his profile

memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=56

Re: New LCNBios posts

by Nasabeak » Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:38 pm

Does the guy behind LCN Bios post here?

Re: New LCNBios posts

by JoelTurner » Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:42 pm

Wow this was phenomenal!

Abate’s family being from Vita and being related Onofrio Abate/Pizzolato family/Toto Minore is pretty huge.
There was an Abate family (also from Vita) in South Jersey; they had intermarried with Newark underboss Sam Monaco’s family. I had previously wondered if they were related to Onofrio but now Joe seems like a likely connection. Either ways it’s no longer a mystery as to why he wound up in NJ

It’s wild how rigid the Lucchese NJ crew was in terms of protocol. Both Abate & Pizzolato crashing out because Accetturo complemented him is especially crazy because he was already a top associate at that point. Another interesting aspect is that they don’t seem to have made anyone until the ‘70s

It makes sense that Abate and Charles Matranga would have been in contact. He was involved in the South Jersey area for a very long time. As for his BIL, who was supposed to be a front for Joe Bonanno, it would have been Jack LoPiccolo rather than Joseph LoPiccolo.

Re: New LCNBios posts

by Raven » Thu Nov 28, 2024 9:05 am

Anyone know who the Arthur Frangello is in the frank rizzo post? Never seen that name before.

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