THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:31 am But that doesn't mean we don't also see qualitative attrition in their membership too.

Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 8:54 am Thanks for posting.

$3k+ per week in vig from a car service driver?? This dude must’ve had something going on on the side because that’s an absurd figure to expect from a guy that drives a car for a living to cover weekly.

This Messina guy literally fucked up every step of the way here. He’s soaking a loan shark customer who can’t afford it but is still doing his damndest to make his payments on time. He brags about his button to this poor bastard. He name drops the freaking boss of the family to him as well. He gets pulled over and asked about this guy by the cops, and then he immediately hops off the phone and calls a captain to tell him about it. Only way they don’t shelve this dude right away is if they think it might make him flip (kinda like with Mikey Scars).

ChicagoOutfit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:33 pm Does the loan shark victim in these cases have to give back the money to government or?

What happens when a guy burrows some huge 6 figure sum, and runs to the feds immediately? Does the government investigate what the guy did with the money?

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:31 am

TommyGambino wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:31 am

TSNYC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:08 pm Fact that Balsamo had a phone convo with Messina after he was hard stopped in a car and questioned about a loan shark customer says a lot about Balsamo’s own intelligence.

And this is one of the guys closest to Barney, but but but they are untouchable and geniuses is all you hear on this board

Untouchable certainly isn't true. Balsamo has been busted three times in the last 15 years. As far as genius, by all accounts Bellomo is considered to be very savvy but he's obviously also done time. But I don't think you can base the profile of an entire family on a single guy, whether it be Barney or a guy like Messina. The conventional wisdom, from many sources over a long period of time, is that the Genovese family is smarter and more disciplined relative to the other NY families. But that doesn't mean we don't also see qualitative attrition in their membership too.

TommyGambino wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:31 am

TSNYC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:08 pm Fact that Balsamo had a phone convo with Messina after he was hard stopped in a car and questioned about a loan shark customer says a lot about Balsamo’s own intelligence.

And this is one of the guys closest to Barney, but but but they are untouchable and geniuses is all you hear on this board

TSNYC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:08 pm Fact that Balsamo had a phone convo with Messina after he was hard stopped in a car and questioned about a loan shark customer says a lot about Balsamo’s own intelligence.

aray22 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:28 pm
The Mafia is basically over when old clowns like this are who the west side have to turn to when they add members.

DonPeppino386 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 8:27 pm

Cheech wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:04 am Messina gets pulled over by the feds. immediately calls balsamo.....smh still on the phone in 2022

I was thinking the same thing. Haven’t they learned their lesson by now. Pure stupidity.