by Angelo Santino » Sat Oct 08, 2022 4:42 am
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 7:19 am
Angelo "Chester" Iacone was later confirmed to be a NE member.
Pogo
Really? I have him on the Genovese chart. Do you know the status of Salvatore Iacone? Also, would you mind going over the Genovese thread list of members and pick out anything you find questionable? Grazie.
PolackTony wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:47 amI’m not sure about the affiliations of the Worcester guys that you named here, but the city had both Genovese and New England members. I believe it was Vinny Teresa who claimed that Patriarca said that while Worcester was technically his territory, he shared it out of respect to Vito.
My understanding is that Nick Camerota was a Genovese soldier under Cufari. I’m not aware that the NE outfit had any members based in Springfield, but what do I know. I’ve also never heard of any Gambino presence in Worcester.
Well, we have members of both Gens and Pats in Worcester so that appears to be true. Also, Patriarca was born in Worcester and his family is from Lazio. Re. the Gams, I don't know if they were in Worcester or not but they did have a presence up in CT, we'll find out.
B. wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:40 pm
Nicky Bianco was made in 1963 at a New York ceremony presided over by Patriarca and remained with this Family until 1965 when he transferred to the Colombos. He should be on the list as a NYC-based member.
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B. wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:34 pm
Patriarca was recorded saying he inducted Panarelli, Mario Fiore, Scibelli, and six others on behalf of the Genovese Family and then transferred them there.
I'm assuming this was prior to 1963 so by this point they would be Gens. So then the question begs do I show transferred members on both charts as former and current or on the family they were part of in 1963 and include an *Transferred from ___.
Aside from that, do we know why the Gens didn't just make these members themselves? It seems like this was a way to "get around" the rules, maybe the books were closed, maybe the Gens wanted to expand. There were caps on families but that doesn't account for transfers. If an entire village were to move to NY and wish to transfer their affiliation to the Gams it would be within protocol to do so despite adding (we'll say) 20 new members that aren't replacing deceased ones.
[quote="Pogo The Clown" post_id=240632 time=1665152355 user_id=53]
Angelo "Chester" Iacone was later confirmed to be a NE member.
Pogo
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Really? I have him on the Genovese chart. Do you know the status of Salvatore Iacone? Also, would you mind going over the Genovese thread list of members and pick out anything you find questionable? Grazie.
[quote=PolackTony post_id=240636 time=1665161277 user_id=6658]I’m not sure about the affiliations of the Worcester guys that you named here, but the city had both Genovese and New England members. I believe it was Vinny Teresa who claimed that Patriarca said that while Worcester was technically his territory, he shared it out of respect to Vito.
My understanding is that Nick Camerota was a Genovese soldier under Cufari. I’m not aware that the NE outfit had any members based in Springfield, but what do I know. I’ve also never heard of any Gambino presence in Worcester.
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Well, we have members of both Gens and Pats in Worcester so that appears to be true. Also, Patriarca was born in Worcester and his family is from Lazio. Re. the Gams, I don't know if they were in Worcester or not but they did have a presence up in CT, we'll find out.
[quote=B. post_id=240646 time=1665178819 user_id=127]
Nicky Bianco was made in 1963 at a New York ceremony presided over by Patriarca and remained with this Family until 1965 when he transferred to the Colombos. He should be on the list as a NYC-based member.
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[quote=B. post_id=240645 time=1665178479 user_id=127]
Patriarca was recorded saying he inducted Panarelli, Mario Fiore, Scibelli, and six others on behalf of the Genovese Family and then transferred them there.
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I'm assuming this was prior to 1963 so by this point they would be Gens. So then the question begs do I show transferred members on both charts as former and current or on the family they were part of in 1963 and include an *Transferred from ___.
Aside from that, do we know why the Gens didn't just make these members themselves? It seems like this was a way to "get around" the rules, maybe the books were closed, maybe the Gens wanted to expand. There were caps on families but that doesn't account for transfers. If an entire village were to move to NY and wish to transfer their affiliation to the Gams it would be within protocol to do so despite adding (we'll say) 20 new members that aren't replacing deceased ones.