THE BLACK HAND FORUM

who would a guy, that was with Farese as of lets say 2016ish, be with now?

Talking about a former new springville boy who is now in his, i guess ,late mid 50's

[quote=Little_Al1991 post_id=247780 time=1673090638 user_id=7497]
Quite a few Colombo turncoats during the 2000s.They would make great content on YouTube.They all should start their own channels
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If they do, it should be called "the class of 2011."

Quite a few Colombo turncoats during the 2000s.They would make great content on YouTube.They all should start their own channels

[quote=Johnny1and1 post_id=234614 time=1659135785 user_id=7166]
[quote=chin_gigante post_id=234605 time=1659129373 user_id=5708]
[quote=Johnny1and1 post_id=234323 time=1658846992 user_id=7166]
Ren flipped prior to this, correct?
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Yeah, Maragni was wired up for the conversations
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Mix never got caught up in the 2011 deal, which was a huge Colombo bust, and perhaps the assumption could be made that Ren never threw Mix under the bus.
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Ren wore a wire on Farese and got him busted for the money laundering case with Truglia later that year.

Whats going on with Farese and FL Fraud case. See Patsy Truglia took a 15yr please deal and hes been shipped out to TX. They hit him with a $33mil judgement. He could never had any assets in his name again. Also is Anthony Induisi even active down in FL? I thought he just worked at a strip club and is kinda out of things for sometime.

[quote=chin_gigante post_id=234322 time=1658845435 user_id=5708]


MARAGNI: Well, Richie Fusco.

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You don't happen to know the relationship between Richie and Mitchell (Mitch) Fusco do you? Possibly the same person?

[quote="Uncle Pete" post_id=234616 time=1659136224 user_id=5163]
Wasnt it Ren the guy that was turning his wire off and passing guys notes saying he was wired up and not say anything incriminating when talking to him. If so, do we know what guys he was trying to protect?
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In the end Ren was both a very successful government witness, and also a failure. He walks around today with impunity, and everyone knows where he's at. The Fed's essentially fired him, and a lot of it is what you stated above.

To answer your question, in my view, Mix obviously. After that I'd look at the 2011 Russo detention memo and related documents. Which I actually have handy for my own reasons. I'd cross all of these guys off the list of who Ren might have wanted to protect:

Mush, Ralph Arpaio, Johnny Cash, Daniel Bogan, Nooch, Roger Califano, Daniel Capaldo, Junior Lollipops, Big Mike, Benji, Fat Dennis, Pooch, Joe Dimarco, Johnny Five, BFL, Scott Fappiano, Manny, Jimmy Gooch, Richie, Tommy, John, Ali Juseinoski, John Maggio, Junior Pagen, Ted Persico, Jr. Frankie Steel, Nicky Rizzo, Jack the Whack, John Rossano, Big Anthony, Joseph Savarese, Ralph Scopo, Jr., Buzz, Fat Larry, Little Angelo, Louie Ices, Joseph Virzi & Vito Vizzi.

Because those guys all went down. I can fill in real names, but I have them listed in my mind with nicknames, so that would take a while.

Some of these guys I can add some insight into, others I'm not willing to do that. But all of the above is public record somewhere, probably including the nicknames. To make it more complicated, several guys have 2 or 3 nicknames. Or we'd use formal first names, instead of shortcuts.

The 2011 bust for the Colombo's was huge. I was done mid 2000's, kind of anyway, but I still remember coming down the next winter and a lot of guys were gone. It took a bit, 2011-2013. Maybe one of two lasted up to and longer than 2013, Fed cases take a while to conclude. I will also say after Ren and the 2011 situation, everything changed. Everything. A lot of guys went down low and stayed that way. There was a guy in Canada that got killed somewhere in this time period, and they were close to him. I don't remember a lot of that.

Wasnt it Ren the guy that was turning his wire off and passing guys notes saying he was wired up and not say anything incriminating when talking to him. If so, do we know what guys he was trying to protect?

[quote=chin_gigante post_id=234605 time=1659129373 user_id=5708]
[quote=Johnny1and1 post_id=234323 time=1658846992 user_id=7166]
Ren flipped prior to this, correct?
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Yeah, Maragni was wired up for the conversations
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Raffa solved a problem in about 2000. Mamone flipped around 2000-2001. Maragni flipped in 2010ish. I'm not sure if there are court documents that support when Ren flipped, but we all thought earlier than 2011.

I've been trying to piece this together and remember all of this. It went down, bang, bang, bang. We all thought when Ren flipped there was one other guy that did also.

I can't document any of this, and if I continue to fill in pieces with hearsay, it offends a couple of guys on here, so let me just end this by thanking you for your response. FWIW, Mix and Mamone were low profile, Raffa and Ren weren't. Ren more so than Raffa. I'd be interested to know when the Fed's indicated Ren first started cooperating, but I'd take that date and assume it started earlier for my own reasons.

Mix never got caught up in the 2011 deal, which was a huge Colombo bust, and perhaps the assumption could be made that Ren never threw Mix under the bus.

[quote=Johnny1and1 post_id=234323 time=1658846992 user_id=7166]
Ren flipped prior to this, correct?
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Yeah, Maragni was wired up for the conversations

also 5-6 years ago I heard some New Springville boys were w Farese down there. Can't name names. don't want to get hurt or add drama to my life here in manhattan. just being honest

eta, This is good stuff.

Ren flipped prior to this, correct? The timing is interesting to me. They had a string of very bad luck starting in 200 in So Fla. FWIW, I was down there when a lot of this transpired. I remember Ren, Mix never hung out much, and I barely remember Raffa, and I believe that went down about 10 years prior to this.

- Florida-based Captain Reynold Maragni was indicted January 2011
- Maragni was released on bail April 2011 but required to reside in Staten Island
- In spring 2011, Joseph Carna told Maragni that Thomas Farese would assume responsibility for Maragni’s crew as Acting Captain
- On May 3, 2011, Maragni met with Farese in Florida, who confirmed he had been promoted to Acting Captain
- On June 8, 2011, Maragni met with Pat and Anthony Truglia and told them, “If Anthony [Induisi] even reaches out for you… Tell him, get in touch with the other guy [Farese]”
- On October 13, 2011, a Florida-based lawyer visited Andrew Russo in Brooklyn MDC for approximately eight minutes
- On November 4 and November 6, 2011, Farese travelled to Red Bank, New Jersey, and met with Joseph Carna, Luca DiMatteo, and Salvatore Castagno
- On November 11, 2011, Carna told Maragni that he had been demoted and Farese was promoted to official Captain

Excerpt from the conversation between Maragni and Joseph Carna:

[quote]CARNA: I have some bad news. [UI]

MARAGNI: What? Why?

CARNA: I have no idea why.

MARAGNI: It’s crazy. When did this happen?

CARNA: Last Friday. They gave Tommy Farese a borgata [UI].

MARAGNI: Okay.

CARNA: [UI]. I’m only a messenger.

MARAGNI: This is crazy. This is crazy.[/quote]

- On November 14, 2011, Maragni met with Farese in Margate, Florida
- Farese told Maragni how he met with Carna, DiMatteo, and Castagno
- Farese got a message that, “Andrew [Russo] wants me in position”

Excerpt from the recorded conversation between Maragni and Farese:

[quote]MARAGNI: Okay. Now I’m a Florida guy. I don’t report to nobody but Florida guys.

FARESE: Absolutely. Listen when he gave me the message about Andrew, taking the position, Consigliere.

MARAGNI: Yes.

FARESE: He said, ya know, you can’t have guys around you. I said, I understand that. I understand that. He said, “Well you know they’ll still be with you but we can put them, we’ll put, uh, not you, we’ll put uh Bobby back with me and so and so back with whoever.” [UI]. I said, “Well listen why don’t you just hold off on that until I go up there in, in Christmas.”

[…]

FARESE: And, uh, he mentioned Donnie [Montemarano] and I said, “And I’ll see Donnie and I’ll, I’ll see, ya know, what the story is.”

MARAGNI: But what position is Donnie taking?

FARESE: I don’t know. I don’t think he knows, only that he’s back, but not a Caporegime. I don’t think Donnie would come back to that. That’ll be.

MARAGNI: It’s gotta be Underboss.

FARESE: Maybe he’s acting. Maybe he’s gonna act or something, I don’t know.

MARAGNI: Maybe gonna act for Benji [Castellazzo]?

FARESE: Maybe he’s gonna act for Benji. I don’t know.

[…]

MARAGNI: Yeah but where the fuck is he getting these orders from? Where, where is this coming from?

FARESE: I know that, I checked. The order, as far as I’m concerned. I sent someone to see Andrew. I don’t know, the question was, “Did you send messages to Tommy?”

MARAGNI: Hmmm.

FARESE: The only answer was yes.

[…]

FARESE: It’s hard to talk to Andrew because – unless you’re in there [Brooklyn MDC] – because I wouldn’t send someone in there to –

MARAGNI: No.

FARESE: Ask him any questions. They [UI] –

MARAGNI: No, no you can’t. No you can’t.

FARESE: What I did was, what I wind up, wind up. Call his family, he said, tell him that a close friend of Tommy’s or whoever is coming in to say hello to him. Said, “Okay.” The lawyer asked him one, first of all, the lawyer’s involved in that entertainment business so he got along good with Andrew.

MARAGNI: Um hum. Um hum. Right.

FARESE: But he asked him one question. I’m only here to ask you one question if I may. Tommy got a message, he wants to know if the message came from you. Yes or no, I don’t want to know, don’t tell me anything else. Andrew said, “Yes.”[/quote]

The following excerpts are undated but presumably some are from the May 3, 2011 meeting and others from the November 14, 2011 conversation:

[quote]MARAGNI: The way this thing is headed, he wants us to stay nice and calm, nice and easy. They’re going to elevate me to Underboss, and uh, I instigated something, and they’re going to elevate you to Consigliere. And that’s the way it is.

FARESE: That’s the way it is. [Laughing]

MARAGNI: I don’t know if they’re doing us a favor.

FARESE: That’s right, we don’t know if they’re doing us a favor.

MARAGNI: I don’t know if they’re doing us a favor, but

FARESE: Or giving us a headache.[/quote]

[quote]MARAGNI: A lot of guys are bitter up there. A lot of guys are mad, a lot of guys are bitter. I’m getting together with Ralphie Lombardi [sic.]. I’m trying to get together with Ralphie Lombardi and I want to see Frankie the Bug. Right now they’re looking

FARESE: Ralphie Lombardi’s still alive?

MARAGNI: Yeah, Ralphie Lombardi just got elevated.

FARESE: Charlie died.

MARAGNI: Yeah, Charlie died. Ralphie Lombardi just got elevated to Caporegime. And I want to see him.

FARESE: Who’s taking care of things [UI]

MARAGNI: Well, Richie Fusco.

FARESE: [UI] Richie’s [UI]

MARAGNI: Well, he’s supposed to be running things in the street, but there’s like a – they’re trying to – it’s supposed to be a panel. It’s supposed to be like a three guy panel Richie, Ralphie Lombardi, and myself, you know. Ralphie Lombardi’s 84 years[/quote]

[quote]MARAGNI: Alright, let’s get – let’s get everybody together if we can because I want to introduce you to them as the, as their new Caporegime.

FARESE: Yeah, but you don’t have to do that.

MARAGNI: Yeah, I do have to do that, that’s – It’s got to be like that. It’s got to be like that. That’s the way it’s got to be. Listen, we can’t start cutting corners.

FARESE: No, I’m not concerned. I’m not, uh –

MARAGNI: Yeah but I don’t want – I don’t like to cut corners. It is what it is.

FARESE: Yeah, it is what it is, we’re not cutting corners. We’re just – we’re just – it’s like these kids worry. These kids are legitimate kids, Reynolds.

MARAGNI: Yeah.[/quote]

[quote]MARAGNI: And I told you a long time ago, when they straightened me out, I says, “If it’s you that they put there, I’m great. If it’s me that they put there, we’re great. It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter.

FARESE: I feel the same.

MARAGNI: You know, it doesn’t matter. I feel like you’re my brother. I can sit and I can talk to you, forget about that other shit, I don’t care. But you need to have a position. You needed to have a position. And I’m the happiest guy in the world. You know why? Because I feel like I brought you back into the fold. I fought like a bastard for it. And I love you and you’re a good man and you deserve it. You know, and misunderstandings sometimes takes fucking ten years to straighten out. You know. Other guys who wanna try this-- All you’re gonna do with all your good intentions is you’re going to incite shit. You know, there’s certain guys that have certain guys’ ears. Let those guys take care of it. You know, and that’s what I did.[/quote]