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by **Wiseguy** » Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:16 pm

Nick Prango wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:33 amThey told me that Albanians don't really have any big syndicates in the US, just some small crews. From what Albanians told me Albanian crews in USA are not involved in traditional organized crime rackets. They are heavily involved in drugs and mostly work for the Italian crime families in Northeastern United states.

The Albanians operate much like the Russian and Asian groups do - small, more horizontal, fluid, loosely organized. One FBI agent said these groups are more about particular scams than taking over territory, industries, etc. More criminal enterprises than organized crime another said. On one hand, it makes them more difficult to detect and prosecute but it also keeps them from developing the size and organization needed to ever be a real threat to the Mafia. It's why the big predictions in the 1990s about the Russians being such a threat never materialized.

by **Nick Prango** » Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:34 am

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:34 pm
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 4:10 pmDidn’t the Albanians try to muscle in on some Bronx Gambino Crews craps games and were dealt with?
They muscled in on Greek gambling clubs in Queens under the protection of the the Luccheses as well as another club there the Gambinos had recently opened. That's what led to the gas station confrontation in New Jersey where the Albanians ultimately backed down. Joaquin Garcia said the Albanians realized they had pushed things as far as they could go. A retired FBI agent said the Luccheses were planning on killing Rudaj and Colotti when the Albanians were taken down in the 2004 indictment. Of course, that group was an outlier, going on 20 years ago now, and was really hyped by the press (like it does with whoever the latest OC group is). Since then, it's been Albanians simply doing their own thing or working with or for the Mafia.

In this video retired FBI agent Joaquín "Jack" García explains how Gambino crime family used Albanians to extort strip clubs in early 2000s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbTekirToO0

by **Nick Prango** » Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:33 am

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:34 pm
Shellackhead wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 4:10 pmDidn’t the Albanians try to muscle in on some Bronx Gambino Crews craps games and were dealt with?
They muscled in on Greek gambling clubs in Queens under the protection of the the Luccheses as well as another club there the Gambinos had recently opened. That's what led to the gas station confrontation in New Jersey where the Albanians ultimately backed down. Joaquin Garcia said the Albanians realized they had pushed things as far as they could go. A retired FBI agent said the Luccheses were planning on killing Rudaj and Colotti when the Albanians were taken down in the 2004 indictment. Of course, that group was an outlier, going on 20 years ago now, and was really hyped by the press (like it does with whoever the latest OC group is). Since then, it's been Albanians simply doing their own thing or working with or for the Mafia.

You are right. I am a Macedonian from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Macedonia. Here in my country 24% of population are Albanians. I am Macedonian, but some of my livelong friends are Albanians and Turks. Albanians who have family members living in New York and New Jersey told me that Albanian crews mostly work for the Italian crime families in Northeastern United states. Some of them are even bragging that their relatives are with the Gambinos or Genoveses. They told me that Albanians don't really have any big syndicates in the US, just some small crews. From what Albanians told me Albanian crews in USA are not involved in traditional organized crime rackets. They are heavily involved in drugs and mostly work for the Italian crime families in Northeastern United states.

by **Teflon Dom** » Sun Sep 11, 2022 3:17 pm

Chaps wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:50 pm I believe there was a story about Cesare Bonventre and Vinny Asaro speaking Italian in front of Phil Rastelli during a meeting and others considered it disrespectful.

Shouldnt it be considered disrespectful to not speak Italian in the Italian mob? lol

by **Wiseguy** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:34 pm

Shellackhead wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 4:10 pmDidn’t the Albanians try to muscle in on some Bronx Gambino Crews craps games and were dealt with?

They muscled in on Greek gambling clubs in Queens under the protection of the the Luccheses as well as another club there the Gambinos had recently opened. That's what led to the gas station confrontation in New Jersey where the Albanians ultimately backed down. Joaquin Garcia said the Albanians realized they had pushed things as far as they could go. A retired FBI agent said the Luccheses were planning on killing Rudaj and Colotti when the Albanians were taken down in the 2004 indictment. Of course, that group was an outlier, going on 20 years ago now, and was really hyped by the press (like it does with whoever the latest OC group is). Since then, it's been Albanians simply doing their own thing or working with or for the Mafia.

by **Shellackhead** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 4:10 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:59 am
Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:34 am I think Barney might be the most powerful within IOC. But outside it, not much imo. Most other ethnic groups don't g*ve shit who are. I don't think a bunch of Albanians or Russians who find a card game with $25k on the table and someone says this is Barneys game and they say ok and walk away. Unlikely imo
Please. When was the last time any Russian or Albanian group, or any other ethnic group for that matter, crossed the mob in NYC?

Didn’t the Albanians try to muscle in on some Bronx Gambino Crews craps games and were dealt with?

by **Wiseguy** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:59 am

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:34 am I think Barney might be the most powerful within IOC. But outside it, not much imo. Most other ethnic groups don't g*ve shit who are. I don't think a bunch of Albanians or Russians who find a card game with $25k on the table and someone says this is Barneys game and they say ok and walk away. Unlikely imo

Please. When was the last time any Russian or Albanian group, or any other ethnic group for that matter, crossed the mob in NYC?

by **scagghiuni** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:30 am

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:34 am I think Barney might be the most powerful within IOC. But outside it, not much imo. Most other ethnic groups don't g*ve shit who are. I don't think a bunch of Albanians or Russians who find a card game with $25k on the table and someone says this is Barneys game and they say ok and walk away. Unlikely imo

I mean most powerful in general, compared to other bosses i dont see who could be more powerful among american ones

by **Tonyd621** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:34 am

I think Barney might be the most powerful within IOC. But outside it, not much imo. Most other ethnic groups don't g*ve shit who are. I don't think a bunch of Albanians or Russians who find a card game with $25k on the table and someone says this is Barneys game and they say ok and walk away. Unlikely imo

by **Wiseguy** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 7:47 am

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:54 amof course the cartels are another question, but how many cartel bosses live in the united states?

None. That was a difference with the top Colombian and Mexican cartel guys. They never had any desire to immigrate to and assimilate in the U.S. Just smuggle drugs in, smuggle cash out, and live like kings in their own countries.

by **scagghiuni** » Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:54 am

UTC wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 7:16 pm
SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:12 am Cartels more powerful.
Crips Bloods Latin Kings.
Bikie gangs. Hells Angel's have thousands of full patches in the US alone, hundreds more in canada.

Those organizations are national. Some international. GENOVESE exists purely in a few boroughs in NYC.
I'd have to respectfully question some of these. To call Crips and Bloods national is taking a good deal of license, because a number of little groups just use the name. Latin Kings have far less power than they used to, and are virtually unheard of in states where they used to be strong.

What should be mentioned is La Eme.

in my opinion barney bellomo is more powerful than the head of la eme or the head of russian mafia in brighton beach or even bloods and crips if they have any, i don't see so many bosses more powerful than him in the united states; of course the cartels are another question, but how many cartel bosses live in the united states?

by **aray22** » Thu Sep 01, 2022 7:05 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 11:00 pm
aray22 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:58 pm
Ciro_DiMarzio wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:07 pm I'd love to know how bilingual the modern day mob is.

Pennisi speaks Italian. Be interested to know how much 'interaction' is in Italian these days.

I had no idea Pennisi spoke Italian, did he claim that in one video?

Pennisi doesn't speak Italian I'm pretty sure him and Tom got asked that question before. He does know some words though but I'm guessing most Italians in New York know plenty of Italian words and phrases.

Not according to JP.
I asked JP in a comments section this question. He stated he spoke Italian.
He may have lied, but that's what he said.
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Oh, maybe I misheard it.

by **SonnyBlackstein** » Wed Aug 31, 2022 11:00 pm

aray22 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:58 pm
Ciro_DiMarzio wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:07 pm I'd love to know how bilingual the modern day mob is.

Pennisi speaks Italian. Be interested to know how much 'interaction' is in Italian these days.

I had no idea Pennisi spoke Italian, did he claim that in one video?

Pennisi doesn't speak Italian I'm pretty sure him and Tom got asked that question before. He does know some words though but I'm guessing most Italians in New York know plenty of Italian words and phrases.
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Not according to JP.
I asked JP in a comments section this question. He stated he spoke Italian.
He may have lied, but that's what he said.

by **Ciro_DiMarzio** » Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:13 pm

aray22 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:58 pm
Ciro_DiMarzio wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:07 pm I'd love to know how bilingual the modern day mob is.

Pennisi speaks Italian. Be interested to know how much 'interaction' is in Italian these days.

I had no idea Pennisi spoke Italian, did he claim that in one video?

Pennisi doesn't speak Italian I'm pretty sure him and Tom got asked that question before. He does know some words though but I'm guessing most Italians in New York know plenty of Italian words and phrases.
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Yea that’s what I figured but thanks for clarifying

by **aray22** » Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:58 pm

Ciro_DiMarzio wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 4:07 pm I'd love to know how bilingual the modern day mob is.

Pennisi speaks Italian. Be interested to know how much 'interaction' is in Italian these days.

I had no idea Pennisi spoke Italian, did he claim that in one video?

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Pennisi doesn't speak Italian I'm pretty sure him and Tom got asked that question before. He does know some words though but I'm guessing most Italians in New York know plenty of Italian words and phrases.

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