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johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:52 am I don’t know why anyone would be surprised Barney takes money from some of his Captains, it’s literally how Cosa Nostra works.

eboli wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:23 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 8:35 pm

eboli wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:01 pm I'm sure it wasn't as cut and dry, but the biggest opposition against Bellomo took place while he was still in the can and while Leo was still on the streets.

You're referring to Leo as Barneys biggest competition?
Leo was an unknown until his promo to acting, not a long term player at the top?

You had guys like Farby, Ernie, Quiet Dom, BENNY EGGS!
I'd find it a little stretch Leo had trumps on the above or Tino.

Love to hear your thoughts.

I might start a thread for a more detailed explanation, but the basic timeline is as follows:

June 1996 - Bellomo and the rest of the acting admin get indicted; Bellomo won't be a free man until December 2008 after multiple court trials
1996 - Chin creates a committee (ruling panel) with an acting boss to run the family; Dom Cirillo is the first in a series of acting bosses; Cirillo was a Chin loyalist
1998 - Cirillo steps down after suffering a heart attack; Frank Serpico, a Bellomo loyalist, takes over as the acting boss
2001 - Serpico got indicted and stepped down, died a year later in custody; Muscarella, a Bellomo loyalist, takes over as acting boss
2002 - Muscarella is demoted/stepped down after his incarceration; Arthur Nigro, a Bellomo loyalist, takes over as the acting boss
2003 - Nigro got demoted; Cirillo takes over again
2005 - the year of the three acting bosses: Cirillo, Ianniello, and Leo; the first two stepped down after facing criminal charges; Leo got promoted just before Chin passed away
2007 - Leo got indicted as the Genovese acting boss; suspicions he was on his way to becoming official before his incarceration
2007-2010 - different ruling/rotating panels with Dentico, Mangano, Fiumara, Bellomo, and Muscarella being IDd as sitting members

For half a decade between 1998 and 2003, Bellomo loyalists ran the day-to-day operations of the Genovese family. Other influential members, like Barbato, Mario Gigante, and Longo, sat on the committee, but the actual family head on the streets was always one of Bellomo's guys. Chin approved everything, of course. And Chin's brother Mario was AB for a limited time during all of this, but he was the outlier.

This deal between Bellomo and Chin likely caused friction within the family. In the Ardito-Peluso tapes, there was an in-depth discussion of how 'some guys' felt unhappy with the arrangement. Peter Peluso believed Barney was a marked man at that time if he found himself on the streets before Chin.

Then Nigro got demoted, and the Genovese had three bosses who were not Bellomo loyalists, all approved by Chin. The last one of them was Leo. Since he was the last guy appointed by Chin, and Bellomo was facing life in prison, the FBI had some info he might become official in the near future, which never materialized, but he stayed as the acting boss for 18 months after Chin passed away. After Leo's indictment, the family abandoned the committee+acting boss arrangement and established a ruling/rotating panel.

When Fiumara sat on it, he was in deep shit legally, and his health was declining. The other known members, like Dentico and Mangano, were ancient and likely semi-retired by that point. Other than them, you have Barney and Barney's guy Ernie Muscarella.

Since Bellomo took over as official boss, he's packed the administration with his friends and close associates. Petey Red was the only known 'outsider' if you can even call him that.

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 27, 2023 1:02 pm

Ryan98366 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 5:35 am

Sittite wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 5:26 am Nothing about Grande getting sentenced???

I’m waiting for that too. Fat Dom Grande going to the big house is going to be interesting. His new wife is a piece of ass….I feel bad for the guy leaving her behind.

Yeah but who's going to want to risk it for a piece of ass? Philly is not afraid to pull the trigger. And wouldn't be the first time a rumored hit happened based on someone sleeping around with a made guys girl.

Ryan98366 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 5:35 am

Sittite wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 5:26 am Nothing about Grande getting sentenced???

I’m waiting for that too. Fat Dom Grande going to the big house is going to be interesting. His new wife is a piece of ass….I feel bad for the guy leaving her behind.

JohnnyS wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 2:42 am Good gangland this week thanks for posting. Interesting details on the Genovese administration. So Muscarella runs the family for Barney and Ragusa is in more of a messenger role. Capeci had previously reported that Barney had took over as official boss in around 2015 but its possible he took over earlier. My guess is he was elevated to official boss once he was off supervised release which was around 2012 or 2013. It's clear he was the heir to chin and they were saving that seat for him.

Also, I wonder how long Muscarella has been the underboss. https://www.masslive.com/news/2012/04/e ... be_in.html This article claims he was the official underboss while in prison with Emilio Fusco.

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:11 am
Barney was/is assumed to be one who doesn't demand a monthly kick. Hence, if true, it is somewhat surprising.

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:52 am I don’t know why anyone would be surprised Barney takes money from some of his Captains, it’s literally how Cosa Nostra works.

Ryan98366 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:33 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:38 pm

Charlie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:46 am

chin_gigante wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 12:50 am
...sending thousands of dollars up the chain to their family boss each month.

Well, that is certainly interesting. The prevalent theory so far had been that Chin and Bellomo barely took any money off their captains. From the looks of it Bellomo expects monthly envelopes from them.
Any sources that we know of as to west side captains having more leeway as far as kicking up ?

I'd be a little leery of this and likely putting it down to an offhand Capeci-ism vs verified info Barney requests envelopes every month. At least at this stage.

No one's flipped, certainly no Capo so how would they know? Wiretapps?? It's extraordinary unlikey associates would know who got what kick, soldiers either. I can't imagine Polito discussing with Macario how much gets funneled up and more specifically to who in the administration. Would Polito be caught on a bug discussing his kick with another Capo? With Brescico? Possibly. Even then it likely be more phrased in terms of 'I/We have to kick $X monthly' vs 'Barney specifically wants $X every month'. I can't imagine anyone in the Westside talking like that, especially a Caporegime. To name how much is going specifically to Barney, I cant see it. Acting or not.

More likely IMO, an offhand Capeci comment. I'd be cautious about reading in without some further explanation.

My opinion.

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SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:38 pm

Charlie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:46 am

chin_gigante wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 12:50 am
...sending thousands of dollars up the chain to their family boss each month.

Well, that is certainly interesting. The prevalent theory so far had been that Chin and Bellomo barely took any money off their captains. From the looks of it Bellomo expects monthly envelopes from them.
Any sources that we know of as to west side captains having more leeway as far as kicking up ?

I'd be a little leery of this and likely putting it down to an offhand Capeci-ism vs verified info Barney requests envelopes every month. At least at this stage.

No one's flipped, certainly no Capo so how would they know? Wiretapps?? It's extraordinary unlikey associates would know who got what kick, soldiers either. I can't imagine Polito discussing with Macario how much gets funneled up and more specifically to who in the administration. Would Polito be caught on a bug discussing his kick with another Capo? With Brescico? Possibly. Even then it likely be more phrased in terms of 'I/We have to kick $X monthly' vs 'Barney specifically wants $X every month'. I can't imagine anyone in the Westside talking like that, especially a Caporegime. To name how much is going specifically to Barney, I cant see it. Acting or not.

More likely IMO, an offhand Capeci comment. I'd be cautious about reading in without some further explanation.

My opinion.