by thekiduknow » Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:49 am
Thanks Antiliar, B. and Tony for the kind words.
Antiliar wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:14 pm
Great write-up. Very interesting narrative that made me curious about the motive. IMO, from other docs I read I don't believe Gambino or Lucchese gave the order, so Magaddino is the most likely suspect. Magaddino must have really hated his cousin and especially his cousin's son to order their killings (assuming that was the case). Joe Bonanno's claim about wanting to operate through the relatively weak DiGregorio may very well be true. I know that I might hold a minority opinion here, but I believe there's a grain of truth in the Bonanno kidnapping by Magaddino and that it may have (perhaps indirectly) led to the Troutman Street shooting. Besides that, we can see through the ELSURs that Magaddino was not only an authoritarian, but whenever possible expected to be the center of attention. So according to my admittedly speculative scenario, Magaddino grew impatient and frustrated with Joe Bonanno. He had a certain amount of respect for him, but none for Bill. Angry that Joe refused to give up the throne, made even worse when he heard that Bill was the boss of the faction and Joe the consigliere, he decided to have them eliminated.
Good point, there doesn't seem to be a specific motive, at least that was reported. I agree though, it doesn't seem likely to me that Gambino or Lucchese were in on it, although Bill did speculate to the FBI that if the hits were successful they likely wouldn't have made an issue over it(which sounds right to me). Both Bill and the LES seem pretty sure it wasn't DiGregorio, so it was almost definitely Magaddino.
Perhaps worth noting that the meeting was over some territory rights, not overall peace the Bonanno books make it seem like later. That reads to me like tensions had, at least ostensibly cooled somewhat, both Bill and the LES informant mention how Bill was "moving around freely" in the weeks leading up to the shooting. You wonder if Magaddino "pulling" the contracts was a deliberate strategy to get them out in the open, or if DiGregorio was trying to make nice, leading Magaddino to act unilaterally. Personally, I think the latter is more likely.
There's this mention by the informant I think was Frank LaBruzzo that Armand Pollastrino was really close to Magaddino. Since Pollastrino was in the Galante/Notaro crew, and the hit was given to members of that same crew, I can only speculate that he may have been the one to transmit the order if indeed Magaddino did it without DiGregorio.
Thanks Antiliar, B. and Tony for the kind words.
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Great write-up. Very interesting narrative that made me curious about the motive. IMO, from other docs I read I don't believe Gambino or Lucchese gave the order, so Magaddino is the most likely suspect. Magaddino must have really hated his cousin and especially his cousin's son to order their killings (assuming that was the case). Joe Bonanno's claim about wanting to operate through the relatively weak DiGregorio may very well be true. I know that I might hold a minority opinion here, but I believe there's a grain of truth in the Bonanno kidnapping by Magaddino and that it may have (perhaps indirectly) led to the Troutman Street shooting. Besides that, we can see through the ELSURs that Magaddino was not only an authoritarian, but whenever possible expected to be the center of attention. So according to my admittedly speculative scenario, Magaddino grew impatient and frustrated with Joe Bonanno. He had a certain amount of respect for him, but none for Bill. Angry that Joe refused to give up the throne, made even worse when he heard that Bill was the boss of the faction and Joe the consigliere, he decided to have them eliminated.
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Good point, there doesn't seem to be a specific motive, at least that was reported. I agree though, it doesn't seem likely to me that Gambino or Lucchese were in on it, although Bill did speculate to the FBI that if the hits were successful they likely wouldn't have made an issue over it(which sounds right to me). Both Bill and the LES seem pretty sure it wasn't DiGregorio, so it was almost definitely Magaddino.
Perhaps worth noting that the meeting was over some territory rights, not overall peace the Bonanno books make it seem like later. That reads to me like tensions had, at least ostensibly cooled somewhat, both Bill and the LES informant mention how Bill was "moving around freely" in the weeks leading up to the shooting. You wonder if Magaddino "pulling" the contracts was a deliberate strategy to get them out in the open, or if DiGregorio was trying to make nice, leading Magaddino to act unilaterally. Personally, I think the latter is more likely.
There's this mention by the informant I think was Frank LaBruzzo that Armand Pollastrino was really close to Magaddino. Since Pollastrino was in the Galante/Notaro crew, and the hit was given to members of that same crew, I can only speculate that he may have been the one to transmit the order if indeed Magaddino did it without DiGregorio.